Google Panda 3.9 Refresh Rumors

Jul 11, 2012 • 8:42 am | comments (45) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates

Google Panda 3.9A WebmasterWorld thread has discussion around a possible Google Panda update.

This would be version 3.9 and happening only a little over 2 weeks after the last update, Google Panda 3.8.

There are SEOs and webmasters claiming recoveries from previous Panda damage and other webmasters claiming major drops in their rankings. Because some webmasters who were hit by Panda are claiming recoveries, this seems to be a Panda related update and not a Penguin update.

To be honest, I am not sure if this is indeed a real update. There is a nice number of posts in the forums but not typical levels of a Panda or Penguin refresh.

I will reach out to Google for a comment and update this post when I hear back.

Past Panda Updates:

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld.

Update: Google said there was no specific update.

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Praveen Sharma

07/11/2012 12:53 pm

Quite possible that it can be a Panda update. But if webmasters are claiming that they have regained (or improved) rankings, then there could be many other factors possible for that. But lets see, what comes out after your communication with Google. :)


07/11/2012 01:18 pm

it new zebra update coming soon

Praveen Sharma

07/11/2012 01:25 pm

and what after that... GIRAFFE UPDATE :)


07/11/2012 01:27 pm

no, later will google brain big update


07/11/2012 02:15 pm

This panda update hit me hard...3 days before, i am redirected one site to new site. But it not clearly updated in SE. Today, my site hit by duplicate content (panda) penalty...traffic reduced to 95%...


07/11/2012 02:33 pm

Call it what you like. It's YAGU (yet another Google update) and they update some thing or other every hour of every day, do they not? This speculation on "Panda" or other branded updates seems about as useful as water cooler conversations about how things at the company should be run. Better to acknowledge that Google's hundreds of algorithms are adjusting all the time. It's like the avionics of a F22 Raptor fighter jet. Something is being analyzed and tweaked every second and enemy targets are acquired and dealt with in swift fashion. If your website gets hit by a Google missile, you think it's the end of the world and it must have been a nuclear explosion, but no, it's just the end of your badly out of date MiG-29 poorly maintained jet. If you're going to fly that thing, stay under the radar and out of range.


07/11/2012 02:48 pm

SEOs can't acknowledge that. They must pretend they know what's going on to sell "solutions" to believers.


07/11/2012 02:51 pm

Why refresh Panda, when clearly they haven't fixed anything. Fix the darn thing and be done with it!


07/11/2012 04:58 pm

look like we are going up in the last 2 days since 3.8 update


07/11/2012 05:50 pm

i m happy.... i saw 40% traffic boom....


07/11/2012 06:43 pm

I hope u have implemented 301 redirect n already informed google using webmaster tool address change


07/11/2012 06:58 pm

They couldn't design the hinges on their laptop from breaking, no wonder search is broken.


07/11/2012 10:05 pm

So, why do you use this "darn thing" ? Disallow their darn bot and forget about them. So simple.


07/12/2012 12:29 am

You should start your own site. I am sure it will be popular.


07/12/2012 12:32 am

Hey Barry why not include Penguin updates in this time line? It would come in handy or start a new Penguin based one.


07/12/2012 02:00 am

Google Update or NO Update there was some specific changes! I'm sure! I was monitoring a site for more than a month.. SERPs improved constantly but only last week they were pushed right above #100 :( No changes from the site's point-of-view the only variable left for my conclusion is *Google*


07/12/2012 02:07 am

Care to invest ? )


07/12/2012 02:32 am

A few SEOs really know what they're doing. The vast majority of those claiming the moniker don't. That said, this post doesn't pretend anything. Google has readily acknowledged that its Panda algorithm gets refreshed periodically, that said algorithm is a site-wide quality determination algorithm, and that even if you fix your site, if it was hit by this particular algorithm, it isn't going to recover until the data is refreshed. Why does this matter to SEOs and webmasters? Because Google usually confirms for Barry whether there was indeed a Panda update. And if there was, and you've been working on your site, and you still aren't seeing a recovery, it means.... Keep working on it. If you did recover, now you at least have one data point that says something you've done over the last X period may be working... let that ride for a while, and see what happens....


07/12/2012 02:36 am

Hey Barry, question for you. It's been my impression that the Panda algorithm hit more sites than Penguin, but was perhaps a lot less devastating, while Penguin hit fewer sites, but those that were hit were pretty much 100% decimated in Google. Have you all in the search industry done any research on that? More curiosity than anything... but I know Penguin was focused at least partly on inorganic links, and it seems to me that such tactics might be viewed by Google with a much less favorable eye than say, mid-quality content....

Rajeev Pal

07/12/2012 03:38 am

you are right dear, Panda, Penguin and next google update name zebra ......... good name


07/12/2012 06:48 am

Some were not yet able to fully recover from the massive Panda/Penguin update. Here comes another refresh as rumor has it and it has always been expected. As Google keeps on updating, some people are starting to look for alternative search engines. What would google be, 5-10 years from now?

Nick Pateman

07/12/2012 07:57 am

Google 'White Tiger' would be far more interesting


07/12/2012 11:46 am

Keywords rankings and traffic slipped down.. what to do now??


07/12/2012 01:34 pm

Webmasters are working on their websites 24/7, no matter what is the update name - they are trying to add value. SEOs are collecting "data points" related to updates, to sell to the believers - they are sellers. Feel the difference )


07/12/2012 04:02 pm

So many Pandas and what was it really all about? An attempt to clean up and organize the web by ridding link farms? That thought process alone is saying that all link farms were bad. I remember the day when I enjoyed following webrings; they led from one great site to another and they all linked to one another. But that posed an issue for search engines, didn't it? The reader didn't have need to return to the main search, wiping out the potential for ad clicking. But oh - what about the duplicate content thing, as well as theiving of original content, which supposedly was part of the Panda. Now we must join Google + to claim right to our content?? I've seen many videos encouraging this, as well as the signature photos that are placed in search, claiming they will increase traffic as the photo draws attention to content. But what happens when everyone has a photo posted? I think that Google gets the most benefit out of everything it does, from Panda to Penguin.


07/13/2012 06:28 am

So google become more and more smarter (by matt cutts version, perfect algorithm without errors), but in reality we see very very different things. That googlers just protecting own work disadvantages. Do you see spam in google search results? Oh, yes? – It mean what work not done well – as Cutts trying to explain us everywhere. Do you see lot of quality sites tanked in google search results? Oh, yes? – It mean what serious bugs (or may be even idea) in this algorithms. Or may be it penguin main idea to tank all sites completely (except who have wikipedia link for example) and it will guarantee what no spam in search results? Also it funny why indian site reviewers replying via site comments form insultingly? But not via GWT tools (feedback about penguin). Also it easy to understand what automatic algorithm just unable to judge what is good, best or excellent. It just calculating links (with penalties : unique content or not, article scheme – content link + bottom naked link/etc, etc). For last year most of webmasters spend LOT of time fighting with google updates (checking site structure, links, etc). That time can be used to create new content / improve user experience in REAL HUMAN ways on website. M. Cutts and company – cares about it? NO. Also after that draconian updates do you think peoples will create super-excellent (but still hard to understand what google mean under this) content? I think – NO, because producing of such content is big work (and money), but after penguin – webmasters not sure in anything related google anymore. Who will want to lost money on writing extra-premium quality content without ability to rank it, even with coming soon new google updates which also not possibly to understand. This model – create excellent content and we will think – rank it or not, not will work anymore! Pengiun learn us not to trust to google. Also in reality your webspam (yeah?!) team made a very bad work, which trying now to show as BIG WIN for everybody.


07/13/2012 06:31 am

it all time changing what is good and what is bad. no any stability. google don't know themself what the next brilliant idea comes in to their braines. May be them just will sell places in organic search results. Them tells everybody before what never will do it, but google just will just give it another name. Google is not trustworthy anymore.

Edwin White

07/13/2012 06:42 am

ppc search engine with lot of adwords ads. Them surely coming to this thing.


07/13/2012 06:44 am

just it will sound like 'we not sell places in organic search, we offer them for rent'.

Robert Bradley

07/13/2012 06:54 am

I am agree, just imagine how many webmasters having insults and infarcts from that last update. My close friend, also webmaster in hospital now with insult. Corporation of evil...


07/13/2012 07:02 am

i think their airplan will crash immeditialy after departure because engine penalties


07/13/2012 07:03 am

but now you cannot spend time on new content because trying to get rid of this stupid penalties. it so cool to change game rules on the way. dictatorship!


07/13/2012 07:05 am

no, google lovers killer update will even better.


07/13/2012 07:57 am

Keeping our fingers crossed.


07/13/2012 09:08 am

on 9th june panda hits my site and my traffic drops 50%.....And on 25 june panda disabled my adsense account .......I think I am on the top in panda's hit list.....................


07/13/2012 12:27 pm

Hi Guy, I am totally agree with you, i also found many of sites that they are doing lots of spam works and taking best place on google search so i don't think there is that much accuracy in Google........they should give more efficiency on it then will bring best panda update...................


07/13/2012 01:04 pm

Im happy, I went from no rank to 1st page for a few keywords. Now just to work on my main keywords


07/13/2012 02:46 pm

Because they own a huge chunk of search (95% in some areas of the world), they have the power to kill or make a business. And when competition enters the playing field, they have a track record of purchasing their competition. While their success is commendable on one hand, it's actually intimidating on the other. Because of their power, they have started using fist-pumping tactics - making unreasonable demands - like the link-backs in the Penguin debacle. Websites cannot control who links to their site when natural linking is involved. And sadly, more often than not, web owners cannot afford SEO advice. So a lot of people are getting hurt amid Google's nonsense. Most here know their intended target - the SEO's using link climbing tactics. But amid Google's witch hunt, they are impacting and destroying those who have acted in good faith from the get-go. It's like they are saying that all SEO's are er....evil.

Codex Meridian

07/13/2012 06:49 pm

"Who will want to lost money on writing extra-premium quality content without ability to rank it," -- best line so far. Agreed, Amen. I hope Google engineers are reading this line. There is no way you can rank great content by relying on links, votes, social signals and even authority. I think the page rank is a flawed algorithm. It decides on votes whether the content is great. Its the same concept as counting the votes in real government election whether majority wins but the elected official is still corrupt, but only win the election because of popularity and resources. Votes to the content does not assure its really a great content. Even if you rely on social signals, these things can be misleading if you count the domain as an authority.. Google bot needs to be an expert of that topic to decide whether the content is expertly written and not relying on votes. That's still very far behind what Google technology can do today. Probably in the future they can create "expert bots" of a specific topic, programmed with all expert information to decide whether the content is original ,unique, has value and expertly written. Then all spam will be gone from the search.


07/15/2012 03:39 am

What penalties ? I never used SEO of any kind and never got penalty of any kind in seven years (was hitted by Panda huge, by this was not a penalty). It's easy. No SEO - no penalty.


07/15/2012 03:44 am

What is the purpose of such posts ? Quit, find another job and be happy.


07/15/2012 05:07 pm

anti-seo: you need to find another job than answering such posts, may be offline


07/15/2012 08:46 pm

Why ? I'm happy already )

Oleg Korneitchouk

07/18/2012 10:08 pm

Seen some big jumps for clients as well (one site went from 10k/day to 45k/day organic visitors). Something must have changed...

Majid Ali

07/26/2012 04:58 am

If we're up to 3.9 now, does that mean a significant shakeup will be coming in another month or so? A 4.0 release should be more than incremental, shouldn't it?

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