Google Update Reports Again: September 12th

Sep 12, 2013 • 9:23 am | comments (200) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates

google updating logoI've received a few emails, a bunch of tweets, plus I noticed new comments on our older posts and some updates in the WebmasterWorld thread that signifies a possible Google update rolling out this month.

The chatter is there, so I have to report it to you.

I am not sure exactly what is going on. We saw what appeared to be a Google search update on August 21st (about 400 comments on that post) and another update on September 4th (about 600 comments on that post) and now I am seeing new chatter about an update today, this morning.

I waiting a bit to see if the monitoring tools show anything and most of them don't. Check Mozcast,, SERP Metrics and Algoroo. Only Moz and Algoroo are updated today and Mozcast doesn't show that high of a "temperature" reading but Algoroo does.

It is unusual to see updates in the cycle of an update, then two weeks later another update and then a week later an other update. But that is what I am seeing.

Maybe Google is working on something, I am not sure.

Here are two new posts from WebmasterWorld as of this morning:

All the signs point to Panda rolling update starting today in the UK. Certainly in a couple of verticals that I watch closely. I expect to see some activity on here over the coming days...

Didn't notice anything since the 4th but something is definitely going down today (UK).

Have you noticed a change in your Google rankings? Should I try to reach out to Google again?

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld.

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gregory smith

09/12/2013 01:35 pm

I've seen some changes in my data and client data. My personal blog "Impressions" have more than doubled though. I know it may sound odd, but I can hardly wait for another Penguin update! Bring the Penguins!


09/12/2013 01:36 pm

It seems that we have (temporarily?) fully recovered with all websites. Whole traffic is back or even higher than before. CHEERS


09/12/2013 01:44 pm

be carefull for what you are wishing for ;)

Andrea Pernici

09/12/2013 01:47 pm

Similar situation in Italy. Lots of discussion on forum gt.

Amy Laurie

09/12/2013 01:51 pm

I'm still waiting to see what the next day or two brings. In May my traffic decreased by about 60% and that stayed the same throughout the entire summer (it's been rough) and then in August I received the unnatural links message in webmaster tools and then on Sept. 4 my traffic dipped to an all time low. I would say right now my traffic and my sales are down by about 85%. I have heard that this was a Panda update (not sure?) and that they normally last 10 days so the 13th/14th of Sept. would be 10 days. I just keep thinking that my traffic has to come back, this can't be happening my links aren't that bad (you would think with how badly I've been penalized that I had linked to porn sites!). Fingers and toes crossed that this horrible nightmare will be over soon and I can start making money again. Not sure how to please google anymore.


09/12/2013 01:54 pm

I've been hitten on Septmeber 4. There is no any positive changes...


09/12/2013 02:03 pm

Mozcast seems to be broken, at least the metrics. All metrics show very unusual movements (e.g. average serp count around 1).

Dimitar Dimitrov

09/12/2013 02:07 pm

I can confirm there's an update. I've been monitoring the harsh movements in one of the most competitive SERPs in for the past 8 hours - 99% sure there's something evil out there :)

Morgan Akchehirlian

09/12/2013 02:08 pm

Agree with you.They are updating several tools at the moment.They have been updating the analytic's with new look.Regarding update I see some shift in my sites traffic but not so big.


09/12/2013 02:31 pm

Sorry to put it in your face, but it will not be over without the hard job done by you. This is business, not magician theater.

Stephane Brault

09/12/2013 02:33 pm

Impressions have increased a lot but the traffic has barely increased on my site.

Anthony Shapley

09/12/2013 02:44 pm

Pretty sure Google is always working on "something" Barry.


09/12/2013 03:04 pm

my site is all the same, how weird is that my competition has not been affected by the update of the day 4


09/12/2013 03:13 pm

Then advice how to magically turn around the business with your wise words


09/12/2013 03:26 pm

Something is a-moving. We're a UK retailer and are noticing shufflings across our vertical.


09/12/2013 03:34 pm

you have made any changes to recover?


09/12/2013 03:37 pm

And I will get what ??


09/12/2013 03:42 pm

Fuck you Google

Muhammad Umair

09/12/2013 03:48 pm

when google finish these updates... its about 3 weeks now they update after every week....


09/12/2013 03:48 pm

Some good Karma - With that you can be famous - and - beat Barry's blog to pulp..

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 04:16 pm

Yes i agree, google is getting very aggravating! It's time to move on.


09/12/2013 04:20 pm

No, nothing. Just relaxed and waited for changes...

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 04:24 pm

Yes, this feels like it's going to be a never ending update! I'm over it.

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 04:28 pm

By Barry - "Maybe Google is working on something, I am not sure." Google is working on screwing us over lol!

Durant Imboden

09/12/2013 04:35 pm

I'm not seeing any change. (Granted, it's early in the day.) Tweaks to the algorithm, or to filters, aren't necessarily the same as a full-blown update, are they? Such tweaks could affect some sites without touching others.


09/12/2013 04:42 pm

My karma is fine, I don't want to be famous and I don't compete with Barry. We're in different niches. Furthermore, I want to use his blog to promote (not directly) my new project (got the idea from watching people here)). Anyway, lady above is making same mistake as most e-comm business holders do. Here it is : "... my traffic and my sales are down ..." Traffic and sales are tiered in her mind. It was this way many many years ago. Probably until 2007/2008. Since then online sales must be driven by know-how in logistic and know-how in prices evaluation. She must provide better, than competitors logistic and prices, then she will beat them no matter how perfect link profiles or keyword density or other SEO BS competitive have. Furthermore, she will establish long lasting business, based on Brand. Logistic, Prices and Brand (later) will bring real traffic to her. Not vice versa. Sure it requires a lot of knowledge and efforts. Not everyone can do this, but some can and will. Others will blame Google and sooner or later will be out. Take care )


09/12/2013 04:42 pm

What about Movie sites?


09/12/2013 04:53 pm

With the 21st Aug onwards updates Authority websites are getting additional boost even if they haven't been active on their website's while new and those 301 redirected websites getting downward pull.

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 04:56 pm

what do you exactly mean by movie sites? Need for info, be more specific.


09/12/2013 04:57 pm

Not an update. The tweaks.

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 05:08 pm

I think tweaks would be considered as an update but I'm not sure. Someone enlighten us on this please. :-)


09/12/2013 05:12 pm

sept 4th some movie site dropped seo and some sites not affected,

09/12/2013 05:30 pm

you're lucky (y) nothing yet on a server based in canada .. :'(

09/12/2013 05:34 pm

Hold on just did an image search for 2 keywords that used to rank pretty well and those 2 images went from page 4-5-6-7 (since sept 4th until a couple of hours ago) to the first page again.. so there IS movement in the SERP's

Yo Mamma

09/12/2013 05:51 pm

I confirm this is a legit update from Google which has been in the process of rolling out tweaks for a few weeks now. What the yet unnamed update is called has an affect of promoting domains in natural results if they have spent over $1500 a month in a google adwords account - Gospel

Alberto M. Rubio

09/12/2013 06:06 pm

Is just part of the same game.. lets say, a new roll up of what ever they are doing that is affecting now an other buch of not related sites with a "just in case penalty" ...all is very well reported by a lot of webmasters on all the up to 600 comments and files on the other post.. so i suggest to read them all before do new comments here as possibly is allready commented, tested or studied on the other thread

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 06:15 pm

Oh Ok, but nobody knows what is going on with google right now. Google keeps everything they do a secret. I guess they are still updating there system. I would guess that also would be affected. It depends on what kind of content you have on your website and that determines your position in google search. Every movie site is not the same.

09/12/2013 06:24 pm

makes sense (y)


09/12/2013 06:44 pm

Coincidentally Google has been sending us a few $100 AdWords coupons for the last two weeks. Does it mean like: "Dear webmaster, we've been tweaking our algorithm for the last two weeks and unfortunately it's mostly in favor for the big guys. If you still wish to appear on Google, try this $100 AdWords coupon. You'll be back on top, with the difference, that it won't be for free anymore once the coupon is used. Good luck!"

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 06:55 pm

yes, that is probably what is going on! You nailed it right on point i got the same coupons lol


09/12/2013 07:12 pm

we have had a 200% income last monday with adsense... compared to tuesday, day after... could be a sorry you experienced ranking fluctuations... here compensation

Amy Laurie

09/12/2013 07:26 pm

"She must provide better, than competitors logistic and prices, then she will beat them no matter how perfect link profiles or keyword density or other SEO BS competitive have." - unfortunately, prices can't be dropped we have to obide by the MAP pricing set out by our wholesalers. Therefore whomever is on the top pages of the search engines usually get the sale.

Stressed out webmaster

09/12/2013 07:33 pm

So stressful...

09/12/2013 07:36 pm

i did see good adsense days too with less visitors!


09/12/2013 08:29 pm

holy shit... +60% on my austria site since today. never built links for that one.


09/12/2013 08:48 pm

the only change observed on 12th of September is that loss of our initial traffic went back from 80% to 90%, but at this very low level of overall traffic it can be rather considered as 'normal' daily fluctuation than anything else... well, I must admit that we live in very strange times if we are forced to call 'normal' something that is just a completely artificial result of Google tweaking/manipulating its own algorithms...


09/12/2013 10:16 pm

"Therefore whomever is on the top pages of the search engines usually get the sale." Wrong. Amazon did perfect business even when it was not in Google's favor, because it had know-how in logistic. Know-how ----> Strong business -----> Google's favorite Do you have know-how ? If no, then you must rely on advertising. Then don't expect Google will do it for free, as any other source of attention to your service. Pure economics.


09/12/2013 10:19 pm

Yep! I'm noticing that somebody inside Google offices woke up bored today and was doing experiments with the livelihood of people, they love to do that in G headquarters!

Amy Laurie

09/12/2013 10:37 pm

I guess you know everything. I won't say another word.


09/12/2013 11:02 pm

Nope. Just basics. A lot to study more )


09/12/2013 11:34 pm

amazon was one of the first stores online... if you are the first you have quite some advantages over the just starters... or niche shops. Also amazon does quite some advertising with google and brings much $$$'s to google. Sure you can work out a plan to try to compete with amazon... its guaranteed to fail when you discuss it with your bank/investors... or it must be something absolutely new/brilliant. I agree on the knowhow part, but it is not so black and white you are scetching it. For the niche online shops, a high organic rank can make you while a low rank can in fact break you. I have seen numerous examples.


09/12/2013 11:45 pm

its probably not panda... dont change anything to your site and it just might recover in 20 days or so. ( to before 4 sept levels ). If you have duplicate product descriptions, work on that... and dont overoptimize for keywords. Good luck.


09/12/2013 11:51 pm

Guys, I do agree with AlbertoMR3 and mrx, that all that we have been noticing recently is the rank-modifying spamming identification algorithm of Google in action! Look at the US Patent 8,244,722 B1 of Google form August 14, 2012, specially Figure 6... each single page affected by that should return to its normal initial rank within 1 month... you don't need to do anything... it's just a mental/mind game they play with us right now...

Sam Sinton

09/13/2013 12:06 am

Site was hit by penguin 2.0 (well we at least got an unatural links warning) & has not appeared in the top 20 pages since (was number 2) - today I notice that we are top of page 6 (UK). While this may not be a penalty being removed it feels like it - something has happened, but I am not arogant enough to claim I know what it is (though I bet i am more experienced than some of those that will tell me). Interesting though & will obviously be keeping an eye on it! No links removed, site has not been touched!

Sam Sinton

09/13/2013 12:23 am

Possibly mis-diognosed & this is the panda softening algorithm


09/13/2013 12:24 am

read about the patent here


09/13/2013 01:01 am

I don't think that identification of rank-modifying spamming algorithm as responsible for what has been happening on Google recently is missdiagnosed... it is in line with 9 days of analysis performed by many people, as seen through 600+ comments on and specifically, moving of pages in the ranking observed and reported by many many people is consistent with the picture taken directly from the Google patent for this algorithm...


09/13/2013 01:05 am

" if you are the first you have quite some advantages over the just starters " Wrong. Just to mention - Netscape, AltaVista, Excite and thousands others ... Where are they ? Gone. Amazon is just an example. I'm sure there are thousands small, but successful e-comms. They found their niche, they know something, that others don't (know-how), they survive. Business changes constantly, but many people are not. Here is the problem, not in traffic from Google.


09/13/2013 01:09 am

But sure I agree with, that it's not black/white. It just too time consuming to dig into other colors )

Jan Dunlop

09/13/2013 01:16 am

Good find, well worth a read! Thanks


09/13/2013 01:22 am

Sam, BTW, to find POTENTIAL manipulators on the web Google became the largest REAL MANIPULATOR ever, by applying its rank-modifying spamming algorithm on a massive scale, at least from 4th of September... in other words, to track potential 'criminals', Google became the largest 'criminal' ever... I leave for you to judge if it is ethical way of dealing with the issue... at least, it is disrespectful towards Internet users who used to use Google to get what they are searching for, and expect to get searching results as accurate as possible and as quickly as possible...


09/13/2013 02:04 am

Most of the Google's patent readers are out of business already. See WebmasterWorld. Remember how it was back in 2007 for example ? It was really busy place. Now it's dead. Guys wasted their time reading Google's patents ) Think about it )


09/13/2013 02:14 am

for me, personally, reading this patent was really enlightening... at least now I understand what they did to my website, so I think it was worth reading, but I can understand that people can have different opinion on that...

osman musa

09/13/2013 02:18 am

Higher than normal traffic for me in the past few days. Earnings are a record for me. I just hope Google can keep things the way they are now.

osman musa

09/13/2013 02:21 am

Same here, I got that $100 adwords coupon too.


09/13/2013 02:32 am

Sure. Just a friendly note )


09/13/2013 02:35 am

Son, you have enlightened us thoroughly. Please send us an e-book with all your thoughts so that we can refer. Looking forward to more ideas from you in the coming days...


09/13/2013 02:40 am

I didnt know that. You mean to say dont read anything but work 24/7. Am I right Son?


09/13/2013 02:47 am

This is the difference between SEOs and web developers. SEOs write about business. Web developers do business. However, feel free to buy subscription on my ideas from Barry )


09/13/2013 02:49 am

No, you're not )


09/13/2013 03:41 am

Thank you. I was bit worried...

Ashish Ahuja

09/13/2013 06:37 am

Looks like google is iterating a new algorithm change first Aug 21 then Sept 4 then Sept 13. From the kind of changes I am seeing it is a big change


09/13/2013 07:29 am

Thank you. I am sure Barry is getting lot of ideas for his GIF animations from you. They are wonderful.


09/13/2013 07:31 am

Maybe someone can help me, I'm new to this webmaster world, actually since Jan of this year. I have been lucky to land on the first or second page for all my pages, but after Sept 4 my pages were shot down to 8,9,10 pages. But my main URL is still ranking between page 1,2,3. I have not received any unnatural link warnings or any warning from Google. I know its to early to tell whats going on, but I'm noticing bs sites with bs content out rank me. If its my "unnatural links how do I get rid of those?


09/13/2013 07:33 am

netscape? was overblown by microsoft ( bundled ie, which is an antitrust practice )... altavista? far inferior too google ( which was considered brilliant )... also negative publicity( paid results ).... excite? could have bought google tech in early days... did not, stupid... yes, its all about business decisions. But the early ones did have a huge benefit... less competition = easier to survive. But you shouldnt get cocky.. someone else will rise which is better than you... you should improve continuously. That most of them dont, is the mistake most online shops make...


09/13/2013 07:43 am

we will know in 20 days.... interesting thing is that they say.. when we get some additional signals of quality ( could be meaning not more spamming? )... they soften the effect. So rank modifying patent could be the same thing as the panda softening... tricking users to change something, trying to get these additional quality signals. YOU SHOULDNT! if you were hit on the 4rd/25th. Anyone with a higher than PR3 site that got affected?

Me Again

09/13/2013 08:07 am

How sure are you that we are dealing with this? I did some SERP movement yesterday but not anything I would call a major improvement lol. And today organic traffic is back to 0 again..


09/13/2013 08:16 am

depends if you are in the "gray", "border" area or not.... if you were classified as pure spam ( look at your site, you know what you did, have you scraped everything for example )... you might not recover. the algorithm applies only to sites in the gray or border area... so if you think there is nothing wrong... leave it.


09/13/2013 08:20 am

to be honest, probably nobody is 100% sure, but this is the best guess we have right now... do notice that if we are the victims of manipulations as shown on Figure 7, then we are just over the minimum on that graph (where de-ranking is 20 days long), so the changes are the smallest right now but we should be back where we started in 11-12 days...


09/13/2013 09:00 am

Yeap my rankings went from 1 to 50. All in this Friday the 13th! My keywords went from the Top pages to Rankings 40 to 60.


09/13/2013 09:55 am

Has anyone felt considerable improvement since 3/4 September?

Ranu Jain

09/13/2013 09:59 am

Don't understand why Google is making so many updates at this pace. It is constantly breaking things and make it incredibly hard to recover from all these updates despite of being ethical.


09/13/2013 10:14 am

very slight improvement will start from today indeed, but you have to wait until 23rd of September to get back to the position from September 3rd... and as number of visitors does not increase linearly but exponentially with increase of position on SERP, then you can't expect to see any dramatic improvement until the next Friday or so...


09/13/2013 10:15 am

well, so your 20 days journey has just started ;)


09/13/2013 10:16 am

wait 20 days... do nothing


09/13/2013 10:35 am

to have you using adwords


09/13/2013 11:23 am

They are bunch of incredibly spooky geeks experimenting things all the time. They dont care as long as they are number one. You clear them of that incredible number one spot, they will stop doing or they will have less resources to do these crazy experiments. Till such time they keep on doing it. Enjoy the ride.

Ranu Jain

09/13/2013 11:27 am

Seems so.


09/13/2013 11:31 am

they cares to make you use adwords. It only reason for lot of updates. May be they changing "link values", "acceptable % of keyword anchors in links profile" every update to make us think what something big is going on.


09/13/2013 11:36 am

i not think they do lot of new things. They just created "conditions network for penguin and panda", like if first keyword anchor - second unlikely to be also keyword anchor and lot of conditions like this. It like in yandex matrix network. But other time they just changing a bit "% of acceptable keyword anchor texts in link profile" and other similar important link values. It give us impression what something big is going on, when google really do nothing and just making more and more money, because more and more sites tanked.

FU Barry

09/13/2013 11:36 am

Google is making updates so their quarterly revenue goes up. Look art the stats of your site and almost everyone of you will notice a huge decrease in traffic since 2010-2011. Now look at Google's revenue and ad clicks, way up since Mayday and Panda. Google is rigged to the core. Every quarter they have to penalize more sites and divert more traffic to ads to please Wall Street.


09/13/2013 11:38 am

exactly. so more and more sites will be tanked in the future. Not because of quality, but because of wolf need more and more to eat.


09/13/2013 11:39 am

i was once at an adsense meeting and was talking to a google employee that said that no cost nor expense will be spared to keep visitors on their own products in order to generate more revenue. its nothing new. and probably you would do the same, if you were google. its not all about so-called "quality".

FU Barry

09/13/2013 11:56 am

Google tests several algorithms and then chooses the one that generates the most clicks. Ever heard of Google losing clicks by an update? That's why you see bad results a lot of time, it's so people click on ads which are better. Google is rigged, stop listening to Mutt Cutts or Barry Sullivan. Their interests are different from yours. Call your congressperson--again- and promote non-Google search engines.


09/13/2013 11:58 am

i dont listen to matt cuts anymore since 2011 :) he actually tells part of the truth but deceives you.... spammers are looking at his comments, he knows... he can use that to trigger spammers to do an action,.... and then capture them and put them in the dark closet. Everything they do is in their own advantage... remember that...


09/13/2013 12:30 pm

It's like a big ol' gumbo of half-truths and split contextual bridges in this post. Huge decrease in traffic...for people who spammed; for people with sites that aren't relevant; for people with sites that have fallen behind the competition in usability and perceived quality; people with sites that are doomed because some shady "SEO" went in an spammed them to rank pre-animal updates; etc... Ad clicks way up in recent years...while ignoring the proliferation of smart phones/new 'every-day' internet users who may feel more comfortable clicking on ads now that the online ad space is starting to clean up and become trustworthy. Not to mention that whole new populations of users as internet access and devices become more ubiquitous across more geographical regions on the planet. Oh no, the internet is changing and the business models that once brought nice returns are now floundering. Be a smart ice-farmer and start making freezers, or refuse to accept new realities and shake your fists at those who pushed ahead.

Stephane Brault

09/13/2013 01:04 pm

You know Google is messing up with things when a website I shut down a month ago starts popping up again in search results!

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 01:30 pm

I check and when something like this happens, nothing is showing on both of them and they always report accurate so Idon't think that something is going on, I also checked 20 campaigns just to be sure, STOP acting paranoid.


09/13/2013 01:34 pm

which website..can you share ?


09/13/2013 01:39 pm

i see also little change on the 4rd using your first tool... and DEFINATELY something major happened on that date... tools not very accurate? am not going to subscribe to

Stephane Brault

09/13/2013 01:46 pm

It's But I'm not sharing the keywords ;-) That said, when I do a search for, there are only 4 results. The page that comes up for certain keywords isn't even there.


09/13/2013 02:02 pm

So what is your point? That's tough academic stuff.

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 02:04 pm

rank ranger is showing a little change from Sep 12 to Sep 13 moz is showing the opposite from Sep 11 to Sep 12, they didn't publish today's results SERPs is showing nothing special for the last several days but they didn't publish the results for Sep 12 and 13 yet I'll check again in several hours


09/13/2013 02:08 pm

That means G and its geeks have become smarter. They are taking these guys for a ride. Many of them dont have a clue..

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 02:23 pm

This month I do see that lots of competitive keywords that usually score between 15-40 are changing constantly each day in G but this is normal and happened since the first G dance days. I don't see major changes in top 10 keywords though so my guess is that the impact was only for few niches.


09/13/2013 02:43 pm

i dropped from bottom of first page to 5th page over night today for my money keyword..... No idea why, only ever use white hat SEO. Any advice what I should do?


09/13/2013 03:02 pm

I studied all the Google updates from the past 18 months especially the Pinguin and de Panda updates. We are monitoring over 700 keywords daily. The results of almost every update Google has done in the past 18 months, is pushing commercial websites (further) down. In my professional opinion Google is only trying to get more AdWords revenues. What we see in this moment is that websites without linkbuilding in the past are doing better than websites for which a lot of linkbuilding (read a lot of work) has been done. I believe that Google tries to kill SEO. I hope governments will intervene soon.

Derrick Hicks

09/13/2013 03:21 pm

I'm seeing the exact opposite. Commercial websites have increased. I am tracking around 3,000 keywords daily. I don't think either of our keyword sets are anywhere close to being big enough to do a good job of pointing fingers at a specific trend or correlation we are seeing in the SERPs. I have a hard time believing Google would ever want to sacrifice quality SERPs to try and get people to click ads. If people are seeing crappy results, they won't click ads. If you take your SEO hat off, wouldn't you just go to a different search engine? That doesn't mean Google doesn't have crappy results sometimes. Indeed, they do. Also, please stop turning to the government when you don't get your way. That's crazy talk! ;)

Derrick Hicks

09/13/2013 03:26 pm

I'm sure you already know this, but can you go find more "money keywords"? Expand your offerings? What about diversifying your traffic sources and building a brand? It's hard and expensive, but it does work.


09/13/2013 03:31 pm

i do have a few more keywords of course, but this was the main one i was getting traffic from with high conversion. I get traffic from other sources and do have a brand that is building. My question was "is there anything i can do to revert this changes?"


09/13/2013 03:35 pm

If you received an unnatural links warning from Google I would look again at the links, did you remove any of the links? Or contact Google for a reconsideration request? As Google are rolling out more updates throughout the year In an effort to penalise link spammers, link farms and over use of keywords (keyword stuffing) your situation is likely to get worse not better. ‘Content’ Google tell us is King, however in any web based business U.S.P. (unique selling point) is what will set you apart from your competition and drive sales. To get to the top on Google organically requires time, effort and expertise. Therefore you should not be looking to please Google; you should instead be looking to please your customers. Hope this helps, if you want anymore help contact me. Mark


09/13/2013 03:38 pm

They are very smart. Its like these invisible ray guns. Only those who get hit knows.

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 03:55 pm

Smartest no doubt. Its more like mosquito bite, hits you when you are sleeping and running back to their caves playing like nothing ever happened.

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 03:58 pm

Did you check WMT? Any messages? I know that many websites got weird penalties for no good reason.

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 04:10 pm

Every once in a while someone has to bring in the government issue, we are passed that era long time ago, nothing can't stop G from doing anything wild, you just need to praise the lord that they let you live another day! Derrick is right. We have websites that is doing very good and some that don't but for lack of good SEO


09/13/2013 04:13 pm



09/13/2013 05:19 pm

In short - no, you can't.

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 05:43 pm

You will not find a clue there anymore, from now on the game changed Read

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 05:46 pm

Thats exactly what is happening and will happen with every site affected from August 22, September 4th and anytime after that.. you will find the answears here

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 06:06 pm

Every single site on the net has a commercial intend if has any kind of monetization, ads, affiliate links, sell a product, sell a service... the sites with no commertial intend are the few. Is obvious that they care the most about sites with clear commertial intend as is where all the blackhat aims its power... to earn money on "easiest" and hardest way. Google is evil? No, Google is a business and the search is their main product and Adwords its main revenue. They try to have the best search engine, and they sell ads based on keywords and interests, that´s not a problem... Blackhat-SPAM WAR is the problem and they are obsesed with it at the point were they don´t know how to fight it with out affecting not blackhat sites as BH boys and Spammers are lefting less finger prints than earlier.. So "honest" sites like the ones affected with those roll ups are collateral damages on this war and looks like is accepted by them knowing that they will damage personal incomes, small and mid business... AND THIS IS DANGEROUS as is like to be gulty without a trail, something unthinkable but is what is happening now with those tricky "Penalitys Just in Case", "Ranking fluctuation patent" "Soft Panda" or call it the animal you like. Other part of the story are the users... THEY THINK THAT USERS ARE STUPIDS, as some times they care too much about what an user should receive or not as a search result... hey if i am looking for viagra online, let me find the sites that sells it, is my problem not yours if i get scammed buying on an no secure online shop... They are mixing that with the intention to avoid that somebody searches apples and receive as SERP results sites that sells viagra, AKA unwanted results AKA SPAM wich should be the real problem of the SPAM TEAM, instead of focus on what rank above of what as that is more a job of the Quality TEAM but as all in google i guess that they work a part of the other like like the Adsense Team that tells you BIG ADS ON TOP at the same time that the Quality team says, YOU WILL LOST RANKS IF YOU PUT ADS ON THE TOP.

09/13/2013 07:11 pm

LOL very short :)


09/13/2013 07:12 pm

do nothing, and to know why read comments below that post:

Austin Larson

09/13/2013 08:02 pm

I did a research on 10 problematic keywords that used to drive traffic to one of our websites. I checked these keywords in 4 different locations in US using VPN, Chrome incognito mode, &pws=0, etc. on I did the same thing 3 times every 2 hours. The results: 50% of the keywords ranked the same in all locations and in all cycles but the other 50% of the keywords shows a ratio of 3:4., and in every cycle the results Google served was different but the ratio stayed the same. For example, you can find our website for the keyword “Test” ranked #12 (location 1), #12 (location 2), #12 (location 3), #18 (location 4) at 10am. Then second cycle showed the keyword “Test” ranked #12 (location 1), #18 (location 2), #12 (location 3), #12 (location 4) at 12am and so on... I picked random keywords from a list of 400 keywords that we are watching for a single website, nothing special (no local terms) about them besides that we are ranked between 10 to 70 for these keywords and the other thousands of keywords that we do rank in top 10 don’t seem to have any problems at all and are stable. Sorry I can’t show you the screenshots or the keywords but I can show you the organic traffic for this website and the change that happened in the past month (see the image). Conclusions? My first impression was that Google is doing A/B testing and changing results to check who suits the rank by the eye of the geek but something doesn't make sense so I can't jump into any conclusions. I also learned that even though our organic traffic was off for a while we do see a major improvement since Sep 10 (see the image) and many keywords that were ranked 10-20 now rank in the top 10 so I believe that there is more than an A/B testing, Panda lap dancing ;) or whatever you want to call it. Hope this info helps and please share some ideas or insights


09/13/2013 09:43 pm

they already do it (sacrifice quality SERPs ) for almost 2 years.


09/13/2013 09:45 pm

not smarter, more greedy

Jawad Hassan

09/14/2013 07:27 am

I have seen a change in keywords on 4th of september and then suddenly I have seen that I again regained position of those keywords , but today morning when I checked the blog stats there is again a downfall in the visitors which was unexpected , I am quite surprised with the change, yesterday I was at 900 pageviews per hour and suddenly It dropped down to 150 pageviews per hour, I don't know may be in next 2 3 days again I will regain the SERP for those keywords. Anyone else noticed such change or not ?? What sort of changes are underway ?? If anybody has some idea regarding yesterday Alog change ??


09/14/2013 12:52 pm

Same here, noticed a positive change yesterday, today seen drop in traffic again


09/14/2013 01:41 pm

LOL ))) So, you did some tests after which even you "can't jump into any conclusions". Then, probably the right conclusion should be : "Tests, done by me, are useless or incomplete at least" ..... ???


09/14/2013 05:43 pm

I also see change in traffic in past few days. Nothing unusual in GA, only several new keywords with nice traffic. Hope things will stay like this ;)


09/14/2013 05:59 pm

today drop the traffic in new site


09/14/2013 07:58 pm

Seen an increase on 3/4 sites today. Who knows what tomorrow will bring though. Google makes me bi-polar.

Rebecca Joyce

09/14/2013 08:15 pm

Something has definitely happened today or late last night, I check my positions daily and gone down on one keyword and up on another...


09/14/2013 09:26 pm

interestingly... a thin content site we havent touched for years... keeps rising and rising... at this point, the +30% has become +50% ( in this weekend, the same traffic as normally on monday, our top day )... also interesting is that this site has never done anything what matt cuffs has advised... no no-following of external links, no h1 tags... no h2... has internal linkspam... further i see a linkprofile, dramatically increasing... someone is using that site to do some stacked linkbuilding. Sooner or later this one might receive an unnatural links penalty if this continues... however, all is about links, the rest a smokescreen definately applies to this one... we can see that quite clearly.

menachem rosenbaum

09/15/2013 05:58 am

Ranger Rank Risk Index does not show any change as well


09/15/2013 08:12 am

is inaccurate... ie i dont see a serps change the 4rd.. something major was going on on that date... prb the sites that tool monitors werent affected.

Sumit Bhardwaj

09/15/2013 12:19 pm



09/15/2013 07:15 pm

I'm starting to feel that this update is related to linkprofiles, heard and seen websites that has been removed completly from G index


09/15/2013 07:45 pm

not true, this update is much more sophisticated to show on tools. serps and rank ranger shows you the real picture of a huge amount of results and websites and moz updates mozcast manually so can't really trust it's integrity... I believe that this update impacted many niches but only for specific major traffic keywords and not for tons of keywords like a usual major update... many website that i've seen removed entirely from the G index just approve my theory... i.e., lets say that for the keyword "barry schwarz rules?" :P when a regular fat panda update rolled out the entire top 100 results were changed drastically (#14 => #3, #6 => 41, #4 =>7, etc..) BUT in this update only 3 results (3 websites removed from index...) and all of the results were changed by a single position #3=>#2, #7=>#6, etc., then this change will be off the radar and hard to keep track because nothing major really happened but you will have a lot of guys screaming YEH i have more traffic now vs those who want to stick their heads in the sand. I really sorry for those that were hit by this but G teams are really taking things seriously and they are smarter than us. I suggest this update should be called the janitor #1! cleans the web but really slow.


09/16/2013 04:08 am

I wish Google could be less illusive with Webmasters and SEO companies. Why not keep us informed of what is coming rather than keep people guessing what is could be going on i Google's mind


09/16/2013 09:02 am

no messages in WMT. was sitting on bottom of page one, the next day bottom page 5 and been there for the last few days.....


09/16/2013 09:27 am

I welcome this update, whatever they have done, it has helped in the recovery of our websites ranking - which took a major blow during the August 6th update.

Google Hater

09/16/2013 10:08 am

Google is a f*cking b*st*rd that is playing with the lives of innocent webmasters by punishing their sites for without any reason. they are constantly updating their algo making the search results more and more sh*ttier than ever and pain in the a*s for everybody. Websites with copied content and spammy backink profile are showing on the top. Really don't know what the f*ck is going on ??????


09/16/2013 12:03 pm

website traffic keeps on changing due to frequent Google algorithm changes. i need to know every information regarding this.


09/16/2013 03:45 pm

My traffic goes down rapidly , I worked hard on my site and It is Now at 12 users per day from near 200 :(


09/16/2013 04:24 pm

Google doesn't punish anyone. Google, doesn't "owe" anyone anything. Google isn't entitled to bring anyone business to their site. Google is a search engine allowing searchers to find whatever they are looking for easier. If you want to play by their rules, go for it, and you will reap the benefits. Likewise, otherwise....


09/16/2013 04:28 pm

You sir, have too many text link ads. I can see spammy SEO from a mile away!


09/16/2013 04:33 pm

Can you guide me more about links ? what spammy links I have ?


09/16/2013 10:43 pm

One of my sites were effected the end of August. Not sure why. I was ranking in the top 5 for 3-4 keywords for 4 years now I'm off the chart. . I have lot's of natural links from wiki , bloomberg etc , no link exchanging , can't work it out?

Robbie Blair

09/17/2013 02:13 am

Well, my traffic dropped by about 50% on the 13th. While it'd be nice to know why, I'm afraid that "Keep producing quality content" is about the best I can aim for at this point.


09/17/2013 05:42 am

Your website has thin content so that could have been the reason why Google punished your website. Add a blog and update it regularly, that should solve your ranking problem.


09/17/2013 05:44 am

Your website is new and most websites that got hit after 21 Aug are new or 301 redirected new domains.


09/17/2013 05:47 am

Their rules aren't fair at all like preferential treatment and leniency towards brands and making rules that discourage small business starters part of NWO Agenda that Google's ring masters decide at Builderberg meetings. All they want is more and more people spend money on adwords.


09/17/2013 05:49 am

Google hate SEOes because they cut Google's Adword share.


09/17/2013 07:25 am

What we see is that after every big update, either the big brands (which have an AdWords budget anyway!) or websites which are not directly selling are pushed up in the rankings like for instance Wiki etc.. The problem is that Google is "punishing" small business who could make a living in the past from the internet, in a crisis time. These business have no choice and have to do AdWords to keep their turnover. For this they have to make a lot more costs.

Phillip Collins

09/17/2013 02:48 pm

Hi Guys, I was wondering if this was confirmed, my clients did see a lot of positive movements,

Jirawat Worasubhakorn

09/17/2013 04:24 pm

what should small website(like njwebdd) should do now to handle google's change?


09/18/2013 03:26 am

all along the top, sides and bottom are ads that are unrelated to job search. That is spam in Google's eyes.


09/18/2013 03:29 am

You or anyone don't have to use google for your traffic. You can use PPC, squidoo, forums, guest posts and other non-google sites to drive traffic back to your sites


09/18/2013 04:49 am

If Google hates SEOers because they cut Google's Adword share so be it. I am no fa of adword, I am on the side of SEOers


09/18/2013 09:05 am

my site got hit on 23 august and we lost almost 50% of our traffic.... since then the site has been same..on 8th september we lost little bit out traffic not much... my site is technostop,net can anyone help what wrongs or what i need to do.. my site is almost 4 months old


09/18/2013 01:42 pm

That are not ads , they are links to my own site , I have zero ad on my site ~


09/18/2013 07:22 pm

could be the honeymoon... you might now rank without that artificial boost, naturally where you should rank... the 23rd of august might just be a coincidence..


09/19/2013 07:16 am shows a rainy day on September 17. Has anybody noticed any changes on that day?


09/19/2013 09:02 am

no, I lost 90% on Sep 3 and it remains so


09/19/2013 10:26 am

And Google search engine will die the day Internet and sites die or when something bigger than that ends up coming online. And if you are truly from Google you know you will be unemployed on the street begging for a job position elsewhere. We all are dependent on one another and there is something called product lifecycle. So lets not be arrogant okay Mr Googler?

Ashish Ahuja

09/19/2013 05:56 pm

I saw a little fluctuation but I think this update was so massive that it took lots of iterations by google it started on 21/22 August with bumps on 4th sept, 12th sept and 17th sept

Ashish Ahuja

09/19/2013 05:59 pm

your website is still new in this highly competitive niche and in this update google gave preference to authority sites

Ashish Ahuja

09/19/2013 06:02 pm

You website's backlink profile look ok but the site itself is thin in content with only 50 odd pages indexed and would not stand against authority sites in high competition niche.

Ashish Ahuja

09/19/2013 06:04 pm

Huge link spike in August, totally unnatural backlinks

Ashish Ahuja

09/19/2013 06:04 pm

ok for starters here is proof of latest update

Janice Waugh

09/20/2013 03:24 am

I've dropped by about 200 since Sunday - about 30%. I've also seen a drop on Facebook - coincidence?


09/20/2013 08:07 pm

SO who has seen an increase, where have all those search requests gone?

Aunty SEO

09/21/2013 10:25 am

Google Black hole - New scientific experiment started couple of years ago.


09/21/2013 12:29 pm

I'm fed up of Google putting me on edge everyday. Time to change to PPC traffic and CPA.

Jitendra Vaswani

09/22/2013 03:35 am

Yeah PPC is better , ranking keeps on fluctuating

Jitendra Vaswani

09/22/2013 03:49 am

Yes i noticed changes around 40%


09/23/2013 08:49 am

After dropping traffic by 90% on Sept 4th, google has been slowly killing the website day after day. 1000,960, 910,....430. No link spams. CMS : yes. No manual penalty. No notification in WMT. No adsense above the fold. Funny thing is that ours is the only website in the niche that doesn't allow scam postings while others do but google cannot be a human to know that. Build website for users they say ...not for google. All bs. Spent 5 years of my precious life on building it. All in vain.


09/23/2013 09:29 am

I'm trying to build traffic outside of Google its not easy I tell you never give up though! PLZ like my facebook page ALL :) xxx


09/23/2013 02:01 pm

We have several sites in the fashion niche in Europe. In the Netherlands our site kleding,nl has lost a lot of google traffic since September 18th. We have a lot of pages with just products, but we have been working on unique content for over 1,5 year with our blog and unique descriptive text on several places onsite. We have added user generated content recently, by introducing the stylebook application which is working perfectly. Any ideas what hit us?

Aunty SEO

09/23/2013 03:12 pm

Sudden demotion with the help of some strange sounding animals from Mountain View CA. What's your drop? Most of them here is on 80-90% category. If so, 99% is not faraway. These animals dont know what is fashion or art or anything except 'great content'. No text? you are out. They cant read anything else.


09/23/2013 11:57 pm

Alberto M. Rubio its already Sept. 24. Anyone experience recovery?

Mike Lowry

09/24/2013 06:09 am

Algoroo shows huge weather report on Sep 20, 2013 and it may be UK based Google Update.


09/24/2013 07:59 am

We have had a drop of approximately 50%. We have unique content, both text and images. Both user generated and moderated by our own staff. No link spam (as far as we can see). No manual penalty. No notification in WMT.

Shahzad Ahmad

09/24/2013 09:28 am

My ( Site Was Drop Upto 80% Traffic and still Down. Any One can Explain how much time Google work on Update?


09/24/2013 12:03 pm

Will this update end supposedly on the 26th? My numbers day to day have been fluctuating.


09/24/2013 12:16 pm

Promoting illegal activity won't rank on Google. Bad user experience. Scraped content. You have been reported as web spam.


09/25/2013 11:35 am

Last 4th September my blog/site up to 80% trafic drop down, i use link. any body tell me what reason ? My blog.


09/25/2013 08:45 pm

Same as me. I was hit in May and lost about 70% of my traffic and then on Sept 4th I lost even more.. my traffic went on straight down from the 4th until the 11th and then started going back up until the 16th and then it headed back down again until the 19th and then back up for another 3 days (22nd) and then back down we go again and that is where we are right now... going down. It's like being on a really bad, never ending roller coaster ride.

Aunty SEO

09/26/2013 04:57 am

Not enough for those wild sophisticated bots. You need to write a research article on Trousers, Jackets etc. Minimum 1000 words with unique content. It could be anything imaginary but not found anywhere on internet. You may also get a listing on Scholar. That is the way thing are right now.


09/26/2013 03:51 pm

Yes I can. Duplicate content, thin content and bad user experience to start. Google is a better place without your website.


09/27/2013 10:01 am

So here we have Hummingbird announced but still no details on changes to indexing?


09/30/2013 03:48 pm

Last 4th September my site up to 95% trafic drop down, any body tell me what reason ? My blog


09/30/2013 08:41 pm

The same story... My site is also .com but main audience is from 1-2 countries. And I suggest that this drop was caused by the fact that .com is not a regional domain

Komal Kandwale

10/05/2013 06:13 am my site got hit on 29 august and we lost almost 70% of our traffic.... since then the site has been same..on 12th september we lost little bit out traffic not much... my site is can anyone help what wrongs or what i need to do.. my site is almost 8 months old Plz suggtion me what i can do


10/14/2013 12:04 am

Good news! a significant improvement in Google traffic has been observed from October 12th... I need to wait until the end of the week to give you some reliable data if traffic returned to the previous levels indeed, as we usually have much smaller volume of visits during the weekends... so wait until next Saturday for the final data, but so far it looks promising... BTW, NO changes have been done to the website since 4th of September...


10/20/2013 12:51 pm

any updates in ??

Ian Mason

11/12/2013 06:31 pm

These threads are always full of posts like this.


12/04/2013 11:31 am

One subdomain is back, the only one with ONLY links cleaning, nu content change, BUT, on 27 November, disaster struck on other domain, same story.


12/08/2013 04:21 am

It is true that google has recently made a PR update and my blog has got a PR of 4 from 1

Spook SEO

01/26/2014 04:05 pm

I have as well noticed the update that has been made but I am not certain yet if it is a good or a bad one. I will look deeper into this but I am hoping that this update is in favor for us SEOs. Ill come back on this page once im done with my study.

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