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Sometimes I don't get it... I spotted a thread at BlackHat Forums about spinning articles - yes it is a black hat forum, but seriously.
Looking at the conversation that starts of by explaining that the SEO/Webmaster spun these articles the right way. He wrote, "I have a 500 word article which I have spun to 100 articles from 65-95% uniqueness." The others in the forum say as long as the uniqueness is 70% or more, he did it right.
But what do spun articles read like? Do they make any sense? Is this a strategy to convert on? I assume there is no way this is a long term strategy with spinning articles?
One SEO said it works great for him and for over six months!
If you spun it more than 70% then it will be fine for you. I am also working on the same technique and my keywords are the first page on Google since last six months. I have the shopping cart website so i am working on this technique.
However, one person in the forum did respond against this saying:
You're going to get banned pretty quickly if you keep this up.
I love hearing how spamming is "done right." Also, I used an animated spinning top for this story, so figured it was worth covering.
Forum discussion at BlackHat Forums.
Comments:
Andy Drinkwater - iNET SEO
07/24/2013 12:57 pm
Maybe you can spin something to 95% uniqueness, but imagine how it's going to sound!
Mitch Bozeman
07/24/2013 01:02 pm
It amazes me that people seem to think that this will work. I have seen it done. I have also seen "proprietary blog networks" for linking, which works until the SE's discover it. It may take them awhile to discover it since people hide the subnet C-Level and privatize them, etc. This stuff also ranks up there with article submissions. This stuff is why those of us who adhere to the phrase "do no wrong to the client" have to work very hard to clean up the mess someone who spins articles, blogging network links, etc for clients who were screwed over by "leading SEO experts". It makes me sick. It also gives us all a bad name.
Zach
07/24/2013 01:09 pm
Barry That Spinning Top was used in Inception :)
Barry Schwartz
07/24/2013 01:10 pm
yea
Ed
07/24/2013 01:38 pm
I know you guys probably don't want to hear this, but a properly (manual) spun article reads perfectly. Rewrite each sentence in the article 5 time. Then rewrite each paragraph 5 times, and spin it all together (ddoing this properly this takes up to 3 - 5 hours!). Ofcourse using a spin software and let it automatically spin on the word level isn't going to do much and can hurt you. These articles are perfectly for your off-page SEO, and there is (currently) no problem in indexing them in Google. Ofcourse you don't want to use these articles on your main website. I know my comment probably offends people, but spinning an article properly for off-page SEO is just the most economically way of getting articles for backlinks purposes. And no English isn't my native tongue, so don't burn me on my grammar :-)
pellyfromthebean
07/24/2013 01:57 pm
3-5 hours? Why not just write the thing from scratch?
Ed
07/24/2013 02:06 pm
Well, let's say i need 100 - 150 articles for the backlinks over time. Let's imagine you'll write an 500 word article in 30 minutes. That would take you anywhere from 50 - 75 hours or quite a bit of money when you outsource. The way I do it, I spin the article as mentioned above and when i post the article then add a couple of sentences / words/ rearrange some stuff.
pellyfromthebean
07/24/2013 02:07 pm
I see. I thought you meant 3-5 hours for one article. You are taking the rewritten sentences and composing many articles with them. Thanks for clarifying, not a bad idea.
Pixelrage
07/24/2013 02:27 pm
The most amazing part is that everything these people do becomes obsolete, phased out or has to be abandoned at some point. Seems like an awful lot of work and effort for something that is guaranteed not to be working in a long-run scenario.
Mitch Bozeman
07/24/2013 02:30 pm
I don't think they care. They want to make their money quick and easy and when the bottom falls out, they just go crickets when the client calls. It's a black eye on us all, IMHO
Mike
07/24/2013 02:36 pm
Sometimes you can't help but spin an article. I manage 6 websites that sell the same product but licensed under different brands. When we release a new product line or article, we have to release for all 6 sites and to please the Google overlords, my copywriter spins them. If anyone has any better suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
jimster
07/24/2013 02:54 pm
Is this a dream?
Andy Marchant
07/24/2013 03:19 pm
Spinning isn't so bad, if you are talking about the same article being repeated with similar text around the web. I can think of hundreds of White Hat examples where this rule applies. Think of it this way, a lot of tech blogs covering your latest product will basically be churning out the same information as the article they are lifting it from. Spinning. Sending out press releases will get the same snippets of information displayed around the web. Spinning. Okay my definition may be a little on the loose side, but you get the idea, we are still trying to churn out the same techniques as the good ol' days, just doing it on a much grander scale. Do you like my parallels?
eldy
07/24/2013 03:33 pm
if it's 70% spun yet still readable, I wouldn't say that is spinning techniques but common news reporting lol..
LambCurry
07/24/2013 04:57 pm
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Alan
07/25/2013 02:06 am
Barry you spin articles nearly every day ;)
Kamaldeep Singh SEO
07/25/2013 05:03 am
@rustybrick:disqus Sir can you please suggest me some good Articles Spinners. and one more thing can i also use spin article for website or submission?
Barry Schwartz
07/25/2013 09:46 am
No!
Kamaldeep Singh SEO
07/25/2013 09:50 am
Oh Thanks Sir, That means we want to use always unique content. sir i have one more question How to measure keywords density?
Barry Schwartz
07/25/2013 09:55 am
Did you understand a word of the article?
Kamaldeep Singh SEO
07/25/2013 09:58 am
Yes Sir i got it, but its my personal question :( I want to know That How to measure keywords density?
Barry Schwartz
07/25/2013 10:00 am
You should not be offering SEO services.
Bert onder Tram
07/25/2013 10:03 am
Specialties: SEO (on page and off page) Expert :')
Kamaldeep Singh SEO
07/25/2013 10:05 am
Yes I am offering SEO services
Barry Schwartz
07/25/2013 10:08 am
You should not be. It is not fair to your clients.
Guest
07/25/2013 10:14 am
Sir they are happy with my service :D and I gave them positive results. you should check my keywords if you want i will mail you sir :)
David Eaves
07/25/2013 12:23 pm
Blackhats for you LOL. Andy does have a point though but getting 100 articles out of one is extreme.
Nikhil Chandra
07/26/2013 04:38 am
I do. In fact every "SEO" expert including experts at this site do the same thing. Or they should leave it to Google :-)
Andrew
07/26/2013 06:32 am
Spinning software just come out with scrap. Just turn your content to shallow content. So suggest you to don't use it.
Fredrik Eriksson
07/26/2013 08:16 am
Uniqueness has nothing to do with it. Google is not going to compare characters against each other to see if the content is unique. They group synonyms together, removes stop words and tries to make sense of the text. I'm not saying spinning doesn't work, but it has to be properly done. I'm also convinced that it will work much longer in a non-English market.
Charles Floate
07/26/2013 12:58 pm
I actually did do it the right way :P Did an entire post on it in response to this, hope it answers your question Barry :) http://findmyblogway.com/article-spinning-seroundtable/
Jacob King
07/26/2013 01:22 pm
This is awesome. But guys come on, what are we even still doing here? {SEO|seo|S.E.O.|Seo|{S|s}earch engine optimization} is {dead|gone forever|over|finished|no more|a thing of the past|history}.
MatthewWoodward
07/31/2013 08:51 am
The problem with that thread is that both people demonstrate they have a poor working knowledge of not only TheBestSpinner but the technical concept and structure of spinning. The % uniqueness figure is actually an impossible metric that is based on other factors, like how many times you use the article. The better solution in TheBestSpinner is to go to the publish tab, hit generate & compare and tell it to generate 100 articles. It will compare all of them against each other to give you a uniqueness figure of each, this provides the perfect bench mark of how many times you can safely use an article before you have diminishing returns. The question they should be asking is, how many times can I use a spun article before its no longer unique. If you really want to learn to spin content the RIGHT way that would pass any manual human review then take a look at http://www.matthewwoodward.co.uk/tutorials/advanced-article-spinning-techniques-with-the-best-spinner/ Although 99% of people can't be arsed with that and are looking for the automatic 1 click solution, which they will find, use on their sites and then tell everyone how spinning doesn't work....
jim
08/02/2013 01:26 pm
long run scenario.... always get a chuckle out of that. its the web guys. what defines long run? 2 yrs, 3 yrs? how much money is 3 months of ranking worth? there are a lot of blurry lines - which is why eli of bluehat always had the right approach - no right hat for every job, every hat in its own place. its how i play and most smart 'marketers' with a special bent for seo and ranking tough stuff.... though i do agree if doing for clients - why i dont do client anythinganymore, the lone ranger marketing pay much better anyway :)
G Sander
09/02/2013 02:25 am
This bias is based more upon popular opinion than working knowledge of the potential of spinning.
Nathanael Vanderkolk
10/14/2013 11:27 pm
Hmm some thoughts on article spinning - http://www.smart-seo.com.au/the-scoop-on-article-spinning/3622/
Sunil
11/27/2013 10:47 am
I don’t recollect that I was penalized before by search engine/s for spinning my own articles (sometimes, not every time). But feeling a bit apprehensive by the whole point of the ‘discussed idea’ for the same. Does SE use any tool to verify contents of seemingly ‘spun’ nature? Will it demand expunction or what? Hold on – I never made my creative work look spun coz of the ‘difference in tonality & appearance” maintained on the article/s written (or spun). By reading web sources (before commenting here), I was enlightened about the distinctive difference between spun and original write-up (the previous always has wtf-syntax-syndrome). Again, if spinning articles prevails, what does SE do against it? Banning site?
Phil Williams
12/02/2013 07:10 pm
But will Google punish you for article spinning? Will it affect the search queries and SEO of a website?
Henri Dufresne
12/06/2013 02:07 pm
I think that spun articles are really a bad idea for several reasons: 1. It is not an article but also a title. It is very difficult to spin 100 titles as it is very short. So, if you want to do good spinning you have to go at the char level and you must write several titles and it is going to take ages. 2. I guess you are going to build up other backlinks to those article pages. At one point, those articles are going to get pagerank and they may be visible in Google results. If someone sees all the results point to the same website, she / he will fill a webspam report to google. Using articles as TIER 1 is a very bad idea... Not for now but for tomorrow. We don't know tomorrow's Google strategy with algorithms. Furthermore, if someone has some backlinks tool, he may see the spammy aspect of the backlink strategy of someone using spun articles because everybody can see that 100 very similar pages point to the same website.
Gregory Smith
12/28/2013 01:30 pm
From my experiences -- the majority of Blackhatters are really young and unexperienced. They don't know any better. Take it easy on em! Hopefully one of these days they'll learn.. Who knows though? As long as there's a market for "stupidity", there will always be a profit, leading them to believing their own foolishness. -Greg
Gregory Smith
12/28/2013 01:31 pm
LMFAO
Gregory Smith
12/28/2013 01:33 pm
A fine example of why the SEO community has/had a bad name... This is a damn shame.
Gregory Smith
12/28/2013 01:34 pm
Link Spam much?
RichieNewRich
02/09/2014 08:55 am
Lol its not like this article provided much value...
Halldor Fannar Sigurgeirsson
03/11/2014 05:38 pm
What most of us seasoned writers recognize right off the bet is a writer's voice. If any of my writers bring me an inconsistency in their voice behind the coverage of the particular topic each given time, I will catch them faster than their allergies will. As editors we must be able to identify the human behind the words, and it's my firm belief that this will not fly with any serious publication.
Dan
03/11/2014 07:27 pm
Matthew Woodward can get away with it though ;). He always posts super high quality stuff....his guide on spinning articles properly is probably one of the best ones I have read...It's really NOT easy though!
FOR GUYS MAG
05/04/2014 10:11 pm
Who needs Google and their 'banning' bs. Social Media provides the majority of my visitors. I hire writers so I have no skin in the game. I just hate the overlords at Google.
Nico
06/27/2014 09:34 pm
Exactly. I love how this blog can match 3 words together in a 100 word article and rank well, who do i have to blow to get this deal?