Google Medic Update: Google's Core Search Update Had Big Impact On Health/Medical Sites

Aug 8, 2018 • 8:02 am | comments (234) by twitter | Filed Under Google Search Algorithm Updates

Google Medic Update

A week ago today, we were the first to report on the big core Google algorithm update - in fact, we covered it several hours before Google confirmed the update. Since then, I posted the day after reaction to the update and covered that the update was winding down. I have also been collecting a lot of survey data around sites that were impacted by this update and I have some news to share.

I reviewed over 300 sites, sites that said they were impacted by this update. The first bit of data that sorely stood out around this was that a huge percentage of the sites impacted were specifically in the medical, health, fitness, healthy lifestyle space. In fact, over 42% of the sites submitted were. Here is a pie chart showing how I personally categorized all of these sites:

click for full size (note: I updated the chart at 4pm EDT August 8th with more survey data and merged the financial and finance category together)

I've done surveys like this before and I have never seen such a deep concentration in a specific niche before like this. It is actually shocking to me since Google said this was a global and core update - which normally means it impacts all flavors of sites, in all areas, everywhere.

Yes, many sites in other niches were impacted, such as e-commerce, insurance, finance, business to business, entertainment, deal sites, etc. The interesting thing, many of those "e-commerce" sites sell health/medical related product, so the 42% number might be closer to 50%.

This data stood out like a sore thumb. I am not sure we can just be lax about it and say this update was targeting the medical and health space. It clearly was not just health and medical but the data 100% skewed specifically to health and medical related web sites.

This ranged across all countries, languages, types of sites including blogs, doctor practices, e-commerce, advice, life style tips, and more. The one common thread was that close to 50% of these sites all were medical and health related.

The data set was over 300 sites of people who were good enough to fill out the survey. So about half of these sites were in the health and medical space, while the other half was not.

I will have more data to share from this survey, I hope. But right now, the biggest thing that stood out was this health/medical eye sore.

I am super curious to hear everyone's feedback on this. I know Marie Haynes wrote she thinks this is targeted on YMYL sites but I think we can even more narrowly say it was zoned in on health. Again, we all think it was broader but the most impacted, in my opinion, is focused on health.

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Comments:

Hassen F

08/08/2018 12:34 pm

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/42e3826c170cf9aa0c30288d2baf9021274cf87547284097f8679f23dd0cc3c1.png Traffic drop of a french health site

Ozair Akhtar

08/08/2018 12:46 pm

Although, this update seems to be very disturbing for most of the people, but traffic is flowing smooth to my website. Hope all will remain same in future as well :)

kinzhal

08/08/2018 12:47 pm

Thanks to all who submitted responses to the survey, and to Bazza for this article. I wonder if some of these should be categorised as e-Commerce. Possibly I submitted my eCommerce site as business-to-business

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 12:49 pm

Yea, struggling a bit with that. Like I said in my story, many e-commerce sites were also health related. So there is cross over.

BushyTop

08/08/2018 01:12 pm

I've noticed changes in our vertical. Some clear winners and losers. I disagree that this is specially targeting one niche. My feeling is that this is all about UGC and online reputation. Competitors with tangible engagement such as blog comments etc and reviews seem to have been credited more so that others. Its hurt us because we are a smaller business with a smaller client profile. The majority of our traffic is 'new', so our reputation hasnt been established yet. We've seen a 20% drop as a result despite huge games in June and July. Its a shame because we made real efforts to improve user experience. While reputation is important it feels wrong to weight it so heavily. It goes without saying that as a consumer there are alot of benefits to shopping with the smaller, less established businesses. Seems a shame.

kinzhal

08/08/2018 01:18 pm

My site has no UGC, and no third-party reviews (working on it), yet we saw increases.

CEOSAM

08/08/2018 01:29 pm

BushyTop you lying. The 650 sites that we maintain all had major gains! CEO SAM running the internet

BushyTop

08/08/2018 01:29 pm

What type of site is it? I'm talking strictly ecom. Does it have articles from established authors. I believe Marie Haynes concluded that had an impact in her research.

Self trained Lord of SEO

08/08/2018 01:33 pm

Bushy, have you got a link to the Marie Haynes article please?

Jonathan Hatton

08/08/2018 01:34 pm

This is a huge update. But I feel some "health" websites have been devalued for no reason. Established, trusted, brick and mortar E-commerce sites getting outranked by cheap nasty non secure-non, mobile friendly websites. I understand Google targeting websites that offer opinions on health without medical authority or research, as these can affect peoples health and well-being. But hitting ecommerce sites just because they are loosely in the health niche is a bit harsh.

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 01:34 pm

Here https://www.mariehaynes.com/the-august-1-2018-google-update-strongly-affected-ymyl-sites/

Self trained Lord of SEO

08/08/2018 01:35 pm

Thanks Barry

franks ross

08/08/2018 01:41 pm

Our natural health niche site traffic dropped approx 75% but we couldn't judge why some non health related articles dropped from top 3 place to Google page 3 and 4. Whole site is impacted by this update.. Strange!!

@Michael_Martinez

08/08/2018 01:43 pm

They updated informational queries as well. Things like, "how to fix a flat tire", "how does science work", biographical queries. It's much more broad than just health related queries.

kinzhal

08/08/2018 01:44 pm

Also ecom here - no articles from established authors and a lot of out-of-date content. I'm not saying we didn't deserve our increases. Lots of on-site improvements outside of what we're talking about. I read Marie's article with great interest and will definitely be taking that advice.

BushyTop

08/08/2018 01:49 pm

Can you disclose your site?

@Michael_Martinez

08/08/2018 02:07 pm

They also made the results for some health-related queries worse.

Justin

08/08/2018 02:16 pm

Very happy to see the data is conclusive. I submitted my site, also in health. Everything was normal til August 3 when I went down 73%. Interestingly, yesterday I was up almost 40% over the 3rd and it was all the same pages I previously ranked well for. Anyone else seeing something similar?

Deacyde do hurtin

08/08/2018 02:19 pm

Barry, I think alot is to do with the legitscript, Adwords and the shotty ads / websites issue. that were running a " game " on the " game ". The House does not like to lose, they did their adwords shake up last year into this year, and now it's organic's turn. I've seen positives not only in the addiction rehab to dental space but also altcoin related sites, from good ole fashion hardwork, no corner cutting, keywords that were buried in rank >100 now in 20s to 30s... No added backlinks required. Also what Michael_Martinez said about " Informational queries " improving, in my guess for more targeted voice searches and chatbot optimization. It's a data driven world, that's for sure!

Justin

08/08/2018 02:19 pm

I'm anxious for someone to post a "how health sites can recover from the August 1 algorithm update." Marie Hayne's article is helpful (increase E-A-T) but something more actionable would be pure gold. It's going to take someone looking at enough data from sites just like you and I (I'm herbal health and down 73%) to find out something concrete. For now, I'm sitting tight.

Justin

08/08/2018 02:20 pm

I'm seeing tons of SERPs full of BS eBay and Amazon product results. Makes zero sense.

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 02:26 pm

So far, only thing I got from the data was the niche of web sites that stood out. I am still digging into the data from other perspectives, including some of the ones mentioned in the forums and here. This was just one thing that stood out clearly from the data.

Zeeshan Ahmad

08/08/2018 02:33 pm

Barry, we are worried so please get the information from the google that when this update will be fully rolled out. Is it still rolling? I am following your blog and waiting for the article about - Google Core Update has rolled out completely. Please get the info about it and publish it. Please

kinzhal

08/08/2018 02:34 pm

Nope

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 02:38 pm

I am pretty sure it is done rolling out.

Zeeshan Ahmad

08/08/2018 02:42 pm

So, There is nothing we can do to get back our rank?

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 02:42 pm

That is what Google said. “There is no fix.”

Zeeshan Ahmad

08/08/2018 02:46 pm

so our hard work of years is vanished away, and we can't do anything to fix that. Is that this bloody google saying. we have great content, great SEO but we fucked up all the same. BTW thanks for your support

BushyTop

08/08/2018 02:46 pm

That's where it ends then.

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 02:48 pm

Marie Haynes is saying recovery "may be difficult" unless you can prove E-A-T. I'm not going to do much but the only actionable thing I've seen is make sure you have an author byline on each post and link it to a strong About page.

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 02:50 pm

I'm seeing reports that cheatstrong, errr I mean livestrong and Dr. Axe are down massively. Surely if we're seeing huge movement it won't take too long to make some logical assumptions about what's happening and why.

Brian Chappell

08/08/2018 02:50 pm

Hi All, I have added details here as well with where we are at. I didnt want to jump the gun as this update is still rolling. Its going to be an interesting tear down in the weeks to come if Google chooses to say nothing, and sorry but saying this is a Core update is *not* communication, no kidding it was core, one corner of the webs SERPs just got turned upside down ;-) https://www.brianchappell.com/google-medic-update-august-1st-traffic-stats-updated/

Zeeshan Ahmad

08/08/2018 02:51 pm

justin, what is E-A-T? You saying, we need to add the author bio on below each post and create a page about site or service we are providing? am i right?

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 02:52 pm

They say make a better site. I wish they were more specific. I am so sorry.

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 02:55 pm

Others are reporting fluctuation in the last 24 hours. I'm up almost 40%, others are reporting dropping 70% over the last 24 hours.

Dragon

08/08/2018 02:58 pm

Terrible name, it hit a lot of industries and I mean it was a full blown haymaker to some successful, long standing sites. Keep analyzing and don't try dubbing it yet.

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 03:00 pm

Nice GIF!

Zeeshan Ahmad

08/08/2018 03:03 pm

Barry, can you please give me the link of Marie Haynes's article where she is telling about E-A-T. What is it?

Dean

08/08/2018 03:06 pm

I ignore posts and comments like this for one simple reason. People saying their data set is 300 websites or "my website has..." etc. is just a waste of time. Seriously just do it properly! Go look at the top 1 million websites data-set and then work it out from there. You can get the data for free and its scraped for you periodically.

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 03:08 pm

There's tons of silly anecdote and hyperbole for sure. I want something from the pros who have massive data.

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 03:08 pm

Thank you.

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 03:14 pm

I t’s link to in the article but here it is again https://www.mariehaynes.com/the-august-1-2018-google-update-strongly-affected-ymyl-sites/

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 03:15 pm

Article here: https://www.mariehaynes.com/the-august-1-2018-google-update-strongly-affected-ymyl-sites/

Zeeshan Ahmad

08/08/2018 03:19 pm

Thank You

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 03:22 pm

Barry, can you comment directly to the organic fluctuation being reported in the last 24-36 hours? Especially since this update was supposed to be rolled out already?

shaana

08/08/2018 03:30 pm

how did you analyze that Dr. Axe and livestrong are down massively after this update?

Brian Chappell

08/08/2018 03:31 pm

I can anecdotally comment and say things dropped another 30% in the last 2 days on one site I monitor. The algo appears to still be working its way through. In the past when punitive algos hit like panda/penguin did to some sites you might see it take a couple weeks to months.

Nate the Great

08/08/2018 03:33 pm

Any guesses if this had more of an effect on http vs https urls in the health space?

Collin

08/08/2018 03:38 pm

So, now I'm really curious on some folks thoughts here. There is a specific niche I'm very familiar with in the medical industry that has basically nothing but misinformation, and it is one I am actually just starting on putting together a site that actually provides accurate information. I don't however had medical authority (though I personally have the condition) and now I'm wondering if this makes it more likely I should do it or if I shouldn't bother at all.

Brian Chappell

08/08/2018 03:38 pm

https://www.semrush.com/info/draxe.com

Dale Davies

08/08/2018 03:41 pm

In your case I think I would look to see if you can find a medical professional who supports your cause to surface accurate information who will review your content, similar to how VeryWell have done here: https://www.verywellmind.com/signs-you-are-an-introvert-2795427

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 03:44 pm

I have nothing on that right now but I’ll see if there is anything there.

Brian Chappell

08/08/2018 03:44 pm

Further insight here: https://www.mariehaynes.com/the-august-1-2018-google-update-strongly-affected-ymyl-sites/#comment-44497 My guess is this is what the algo 'meant' to go after. Self proclaimed experts.

snuffy

08/08/2018 03:47 pm

Ha ha.. love that panda dumping the computer!

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 03:49 pm

Since you're asking for guesses, I'd say virtually nil.

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 03:51 pm

So you're the third person I've seen report that and I'm the only one reporting a 40% gain on the 7th vs. the 3rd and it was even across my top 10 previously-ranking pages. I can only see this as a good sign, admittedly bored and grasping at straws.

Collin

08/08/2018 03:58 pm

Oh, good stuff!

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 03:58 pm

Interestingly, they are up. How many of us can link to a board certified psychologist and Harvard profressor?

Yandex Boi

08/08/2018 04:11 pm

Seen some definite shuffling among the competition the legal space. It makes a lot of sense that that the high E-A-T signals are getting picked up on. Godspeed to those of you with shady clients or products.

Justin Snyder

08/08/2018 04:17 pm

What doesn't make sense is Google's arbitrary application of those signals. I don't see how anyone can claim that the health SERPs are higher quality than they were before the update.

Luu Anh

08/08/2018 04:53 pm

Hello Barry Schwartz, my name is Luu Anh, I am a pharmacist from Vietnam. I am a very popular fan of your blog. I own more than 100 websites in the field of pharmaceuticals, medical. Over the past update, all my websites have decreased by 10% of users from Google Search. All of my websites provide very reputable information, there are sites wikipedia source is a reliable site a lot. Website is registered information with the government, .... However, I still do not understand why my rank is down on Google Search, a week it's rank continuously fluctuated so far is not stable. I discovered one thing, Google to a lot of search results come from social networks like Facebook, Linkedin and foreign news sites! This I think will adversely affect the user experience when the user wishes to read the information from his mother tongue website. I am looking forward to you for advice!

RocketMan99

08/08/2018 05:06 pm

Yo, I have a supplement site that took a small drop last weekend. But my profit is up with less traffic and less conversions both organic and paid google. Its like I lost a couple inches on the waist and just had to tighten my belt. My adwords "search terms" in shopping ad automatically tightened to just product keywords and removed all health related "search terms". The algo didn't even try to use health related content. I had already pruned 1000's of these "health related" shopping ad search terms and revised my content on the site the last six months to reflect non-specific generalized health information. For example: I had removed all "human growth hormone" searches. And other things like "erectile dysfunction." I don't sell or market these junk words, so I greatly appreciate google cleaning up their act and not advertising to people searching this junk. Garbage keywords breed garbage clients. Google already phased out medical terms, so in the "health" niche this is a "health related" content phase out. Its related to legal. That's why their is nothing they can advise, its a legal issue. Most likely across all "niches". And according to google health policy, targeting people for searches related to "health information" is against policy because its an invasion of privacy and possibly highly illegal in the USA as it is in the EU and other countries. So even though impressions are way down in Adwords, conv rate is cracking with minimal ad budget. Thank the google gods that they finally stopped advertising crappy search terms. Garbage keywords breed garbage clients. But, this last core update is far from done. Still getting massive jumps in search console impressions, starting yesterday. So it ain't over, far from over. All I know is when the dust finally settles I better buckle in tight.

Dale Davies

08/08/2018 05:17 pm

As with anything, you enter the game with the resources you have. Whilst not many of us can strike up a connection with a Harvard professor, there are probably universities and other associations close to home whom we can contact and build a relationship with. Just need to get creative about what you can offer them in return.

@Michael_Martinez

08/08/2018 06:05 pm

EAT = Expertise, Authority, Trust. It comes up a lot in Google's quality rater guidelines but does not necessarily directly affect any algorithms. And despite what people are claiming, many Websites without authorial attribution are ranking just fine in this update. Assuring your readers of who you are and what your background in the topic is may be good, but it's not necessarily a deciding factor.

Barry Schwartz

08/08/2018 06:56 pm

Google told me it is fully rolled out.

made of analytics

08/08/2018 07:01 pm

One of the websites that I manage, a plastic surgery clinic in Spain, has been affected by this update. 70% decreased on traffic for all countries. Traffic started to be stable from 6th August. Poor quality links could be a reason for the decrease. Our site has good quality, content and images.

Artem the LinksHero

08/08/2018 08:11 pm

2 cents from a white hat link builder: 1) We have a CBD niche link building client (you may/not put them in medical/health) and traffic is UP after the update (screenshot attached) 2) I am also looking at a massive authority site run by AuthorityHacker guys - Healthambition. It shows a minor dive, but let's see what it's like in a week or two (love ya guys :*; also attaching a screenshot) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b9cbf9f28aa97ec84b0a975d165110cc5045c854f9102a11404b7e2891ee8f3.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b043c97c440cfc89007acc1801a967cb81198bb1413decd10952e35c939ab427.png Seems like if you are not TRULY legit, then you are disregarded... Welcome to the new era of white hat link building! :P

Artem the LinksHero

08/08/2018 08:13 pm

No waaaay, Jaime! There will be a lot more ugly people now... :D

Riki

08/08/2018 08:16 pm

How can you manage 100 websites and publish reasonably quality content?

sergei

08/08/2018 08:21 pm

Try to build links for your main website so you would not have to post spam trying to get customers from comments.

Simon

08/08/2018 10:08 pm

Looking forward to Google launching 'Google Diagnosis' within a year, which will appear for medical queries at the top of organic results above all other medical sites and earn Google huge ad revenue from pharmas.

Jeff Moriarty

08/08/2018 11:21 pm

Supplement site here. One took a huge hit. Did very well over last few years of updates. Ton of helpful content, unique product pages, tons of reviews and 15 years online. Lost 75% of traffic over last two updates. I’ve narrowed it down to what I think might have happened. We have another site we purchased. Same products. We always focused on unique content for each though. Well during our migration in April, a couple months later we found out the migration company duplicated all our blog posts, reviews and QA to both sites. Fixed the issues as of the end of last month but it’s what could have done it. Seeing many of our results in the omitted now. Very discouraging.

Artem the LinksHero

08/08/2018 11:24 pm

Says a guy who upvotes his own comments... And I wasn't even dropping URLs or anything - just sharing my own (1st hand (!)) experience with people and commenting on what I observed to be. All that to only get slapped by a, most likely, fellow countryman that doesn't even have his face in the game. Pathetic. We should be uplifting other good people, Sergei. This is opposite to what you do. Oh well...you really deserve what you got mate.

Shehryar Aziz

08/09/2018 12:03 am

My Digital Marketing Site is loosing the rankings.

Artem the LinksHero

08/09/2018 12:15 am

Don't despair, Jeff. Seriously 8-)

Gerardo Zarzo Escribano

08/09/2018 12:19 am

Hello, I have a blog about Eyehealth in Spanish and yes,my positions are droping and I'm driving crazy. It´s verified by the Health on the Net (HON CODE), so it's a trustworthy site. I dont know what to do. Thanks

Frank Olivo

08/09/2018 01:05 am

Gerardo, the Health on the Net verification may not be enough. Leave as much of a footprint as you can about the website and author's identity. You should have structured data on the site, it should link to active social media profiles, you should try to blog for authoritative eye health sites. Google wants to provide the most trustworthy content that it can when people are searching. Give it as much info about your site that you can and it should help (given that you are, indeed, worthy of trust).

hofmann2424

08/09/2018 01:44 am

Share your data. I would like to take a look. EH

Philippe ABIMELEC

08/09/2018 03:05 am

Have been badly hurt by Medic -50%, my site had already lost 50% progressively over this last year, so -75% from 10K to 2,5 K/day. Very neat 15 years old health website run by a dermatologist in France https://www.abimelec.com. It is a serious website with authority. We saw these previous months that some of our articles were copied & spammed, we declared these to G and most were removed. We have sometimes very long articles (100 000 signs) and the site does not have fresh information or new articles since years. We were on the process of updating and renewing our editorial ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f30658a4350ffc0039e6dbafe3611240d9ee7030312e7d6a086b516f61584357.jpg

PandaBalls

08/09/2018 04:08 am

"White Hat link Builder" Super-duper curious to know what exactly that would be On a more serious note either you have to dump the pages completely and bring them back when they are unique or use canonicals.

Furqan (SEO)

08/09/2018 04:25 am

also hit on educational services like https://bit.ly/2zxuZL2 most of top ranking keywords deindex by google.

Don Hesh

08/09/2018 04:36 am

I'm too old for this shit now. Seriously. Did everything right, amazing editorial links from real journalists, Super user experience, loading speed under 2 seconds. But, Still lost 7 positions to a brand new websites with shit back links.

WritingMachyne

08/09/2018 04:55 am

I didn't partake in the survey, but my site's traffic dropped 45 percent, and it is very much a medical and health website. I wonder if the giants like healthline, livstrong and medicalnewstoday were negatively affected.

WritingMachyne

08/09/2018 05:02 am

My site is replete with links to big gun doctors who have contributed to it, yet the August 1 update mowed it down.

WritingMachyne

08/09/2018 05:10 am

The page that link takes me to wants me to fill out a registration form for 10 free requests. Isn't there a no-nonsense way to obtain the info regarding livestrong, Axe, etc. getting hit?

WritingMachyne

08/09/2018 05:12 am

How can google's bots tell if a post has a byline? And some bylines are illegitimate, such as "By Admin" or "By Editor."

phoolchand yadav

08/09/2018 05:42 am

According to me this update effect on that site that used natural content on the site and backlink creation. Always prefer content according to user information, not try to add keyword density on every time.Try to get backlinks in natural way, specially focus on block comment write comment according to blog post.

bedae

08/09/2018 06:05 am

Bullshit. It's all about domain trust now. Doorway pages such as _ttp://es.theret.org/downloads/ are in tops.

Randy

08/09/2018 06:06 am

Is not true at all, take a look at the list of websites that lost more traffic and you'll see that is not medical niche at all https://www.semrush.com/sensor/?category=&db=US&compare=db!MOBILE-IT&tab=winners&at=losers

phoolchand yadav

08/09/2018 06:11 am

Google Updates- Broad update tips summary 1. Improve Site Speed 2. Consider secure Server 3. Great content - create the quality content 4. Build a Great site for user, not for own.

bedae

08/09/2018 06:15 am

[tset tob] backlinks doflllow site SERP rise generation Google update medical language wet pussy

Rocket SEO

08/09/2018 06:35 am

Look forward to the inevitable rollback. As usual, this update has made a mess of the serps and some results I am seeing are just embarrassing. Google consistently get it wrong!

WritingMachyne

08/09/2018 06:58 am

"Great content." Eye of the beholder. Everyone thinks they have great content including people who post articles with little punctuation, poor grammar and spelling, rambling non-cohesive sentences, etc. I'm sick of hearing "great content." Obviously, Google thinks great content is lousy content because good sites got penalized while junk sites got rewarded. The "tips summary" is worthless. I have fast site speed. I can't believe I lost 45% traffic simply because it says "not secure http" (which I'm changing)

Jay

08/09/2018 07:28 am

Where is the usual Google makes an average 3 updates a day comment?

Jay

08/09/2018 07:33 am

You are struggling because it's not one update. They group updates and push them out every time 2-3 weeks to make it harder to reverse engineer. I have told this multiple times.

Fuhua Mulan

08/09/2018 07:55 am

Cosmetic surgeon site from UK here. Not much change in the traffic but have lost huge rankings. Keywords have dropped over 70 positions from top 10 rankings. I have also seen decrease in number of backlinks as well, and I have no idea what to do.

Stupid Intelligent

08/09/2018 08:32 am

Barry! This explains the new way Google is now looking at medical websites: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2364942?p=medical_conditions&visit_id=0-636694003450336219-3738728588&rd=1

Yianni

08/09/2018 09:01 am

Ditto here on private ultrasound site in london. I m giving it some time for the dust to settle.

phoolchand yadav

08/09/2018 09:07 am

Google person explain that is is not a single update, it's broad update. So think with broad mind for every ranking factor. Not only good content or speed are good ranking signal. Calculate all ranking factors in this update. Everyone is counting, ranking signals mainly content and backlinks. But Google explains think broadly, makes website user friendly, speed, relevant content in relevant pages, secure server, white hat, mobile speed and more. So analysis your site with all ranking factors, not a single or double.

Prince

08/09/2018 09:13 am

So Why it Affects E-commerce any recommendations?

Barry Schwartz

08/09/2018 09:46 am

Not really

Claudio Heilborn

08/09/2018 09:48 am

ohhhh yes they do! Usual procedure: drumssssss -> update -> silence -> silence-> rollback :)

Claudio Heilborn

08/09/2018 09:50 am

Machines don´t really think ;), wait for rollback. Hopefully.

kinzhal

08/09/2018 09:57 am

Can you link to the one page site?

SeoGuruji

08/09/2018 10:16 am

It might be medic but it is still not confirm by Google, we guys in seo just Guess the things.

Dan Richardson

08/09/2018 10:40 am

Berry is good at guessing the things.

BushyTop

08/09/2018 11:00 am

Haha!

demetrios

08/09/2018 11:01 am

Google says there isn't really a "fix" for impacted sites. You really need to just comb through everything on your site and make improvements all over where possible. Don't look for one silver bullet, you are unlikely to find it.

Stupid Intelligent

08/09/2018 01:02 pm

Not really

Mert Oğuz

08/09/2018 01:17 pm

We think, that the Update is about "Trust", that's why all industries like health, insurance, finance etc. saw significant drops. More about the conclusion you can read here: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6433247498428571648

@Michael_Martinez

08/09/2018 01:32 pm

Google makes an average 2-3 updates per day.

SEOWeasel

08/09/2018 03:19 pm

I've seen numerous site owners saying they've seen blatant link spammers improve off the back of this update. Links are one of the many ways to measure trust and authority, but links have IMHO always been the biggest barometer of trust and authority. Perhaps this is a tweak to the ex-Penguin element of the algo?

JL Faverio

08/09/2018 04:06 pm

Anyone else experience a drop in law firm clients since AUG 1st?

marketingmedico

08/09/2018 05:18 pm

Hi, so I´ve a small agency focused on catering to Doctors and Health Practices in México. Most of my sites suffered, but managet to remain on 1st page. I´m fiding specially difficult to rank recently created sites... During the update, traffic went down as much as 50%

Danka K

08/09/2018 07:32 pm

Our mediacal Canabis is related sites got a 40% hit in organic seo traffic. Anyone else out there experience the same thing?

WritingMachyne

08/09/2018 07:42 pm

The reason you don't want to share the link to that one-page spam site are NOT obvious. Just spell out the name of the URL and spell out "dot" before the "com" or "org." You won't get busted, I promise. I also assume that the site in question does NOT have right click copy disable feature, as this would prevent you from detecting the hidden keywords, unless you have some techy trick to lift the copy and then view it all in html or whatever (I'm not a geek so I'm just supposing).

Alex Williams

08/09/2018 08:31 pm

I have two websites affected with this update. both are medical. One lost about 70% of traffic and little loss of conversions. Another one got 30% loss of organic traffic but gained amount of conversion/leads - so it only lost non-converting traffic.

roger'd ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

08/10/2018 03:47 am

Our service has catered specifically to drug questions and answers for over 10 years. It's a patient driven community (UGC), but we've been clear about that from day 1. This latest update took 50% of our traffic away almost over night, and that is after having lost 50% back in May. So now we sit at 25% of our traffic year over year. While sites like Quora (which aren't even specifically for drug related queries) are doing even better now. So it seems like Google has likely determined that we lack E-A-T, and because of our fundamental business model I'm not sure what to do. Then again, no one to blame but ourselves for depending so much on Google traffic for the biz.

roger'd ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

08/10/2018 03:49 am

I think it's a fairly educated guess at this point. Medical site here that took a massive starting on Aug 1st.

Sams

08/10/2018 08:28 am

Barry, if possible can you ask Danny and let us know if webmasters can recover their lost rankings if they improve content as per rater guidelines and how much time would it take to recover?

Dan Richardson

08/10/2018 09:27 am

I respectfully disagree

Barry Schwartz

08/10/2018 09:36 am

Anyone can ask him.

Stupid Intelligent

08/10/2018 10:23 am

I respectfully accept your disagreement.

Deacyde do hurtin

08/10/2018 11:44 am

It's most likely not E-A-T related, I'd check your backlink profile via an audit, no disavowing, but see if you are lacking compared to competitors doing better. Remember sadly, it's not just about being functionally awesome, it's about being engaging and popular. Do a social media / content marketing check as well, might just be a matter of increased visibility to even updating your site. Good Luck and Keep Digging, there's always a way.

Claudio Heilborn

08/10/2018 12:09 pm

Exactly same case in USA Reputable Medical Center, saw positions drop sharply, Not really traffic, impressions upwards crazy, sort of Caffeine effect. Now positions bouncing back. Typical roller coaster post updates, let us see if they stick to this update, as Barry says or roll back, I guess we will never know the truth. Don´t panic just take some holidays and come back in a week, or so. :)

roger'd ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

08/11/2018 02:42 am

Thank you for your suggestions, they are much appreciated! Definitely going to consider these factors now...

Sams

08/11/2018 07:35 am

ok thx

Daniel Larsson

08/12/2018 04:05 pm

Have several websites in health and medical segment for Swedish market. One of them lost 20% visibility during last 10 months and 9% on the latest update. Annother health site lost 200% since may 2017 and 27% last week. None of these sites have https. When I compare all other sites on important whale keywords sites thare are ranking better all have https. A third biological and health site increased visiblity by 14% last week and I also changed to https on this site 10 days ago. Will start moving all my sites to https...

Anastasia Visotsky

08/12/2018 07:37 pm

CONTEXT is important, folks. Look, FB just testified and the stock price was punished for lacking editorial component when it comes to news/ads. I think Google did the same to cover its ass. Im outranked for supplement-related keywords by clinical trials (.gov), research abstracts (.org) and huge media companies (webmd, healthline...). Traffic is halved. Not sure if there is a path back to the first page if the new rules are hardwired to benefit FDA-approved info while naturopathic medicine info is discounted.

Abbas Rajani

08/13/2018 09:13 am

Hello Barry, Interesting survey but seems like it happened quite opposite for my clients. All of my health related clients experienced a positive change in terms of rankings and traffic. Beside this, I am still observing keywords fluctuations in the SERPs for most of my e-commerce (fashion) related projects. Any lead?

Barry Schwartz

08/13/2018 09:34 am

Impacted the most could mean ranking increases. When one site goes down, another site goes up.

Abbas Rajani

08/13/2018 10:24 am

Yeah, I got that point. Is there anything that Google is mainly focusing on in this update like links or content (could be a mixture of both onsite and offsite). Because I have audited almost everything including content, links and on page but couldn't find a clue for a fashion e-commerce client. Looking forward for your assistance Sir. :)

Barry Schwartz

08/13/2018 10:48 am

Good question.

Mark

08/13/2018 01:27 pm

I find this incredibly interesting as traffic on my healthcare website skyrocketed. Good stuff

Tim Alexander Uittenbroek

08/13/2018 09:37 pm

The CBD client - was it a ecom site or affiliate site? Seems like ecom sites mostly gained while affiliate sites mostly lost.

Artem the LinksHero

08/14/2018 05:09 am

This one is affiliate, Tim. It's very solid though - very strong content and top class linkable assets we had no trouble building links to. I also still have access to a previous client, an e-commerce CBD, and their traffic is unchanged (they are a looooot smaller though; like really a lot) Hope this helps!

Chere Di Boscio

08/14/2018 07:57 am

They're focusing on domain 'trust' meaning any alternative health sites that don't toe the big pharma BS are being especially hard hit

Guy

08/15/2018 07:52 am

Our law office site that offer medicolegal law suits service (particular medical malpractice suits)has been sufferd big negative effect since the update...

SmackMacDougal

08/15/2018 05:23 pm

When the day comes that search engine providers can produce their databases while eliminating SEO as a business, mankind will be better for it. It's hard to feel bad for those who try to game their positions in search engines, not by offering high quality products worthy of prices asked, but merely by applying tricks. If Google search engineers were smart, they would present results at random on first and second pages to random samples of users and track what links those users click upon matched to the content presented. This would give them a baseline from which to work. Once done, Google engineers then should have code continuously update the keyword-to-content set presented pairs taken at random from all click through data so as to present superior search results. Search engines should learn only from users and ignore what producers of content do. It's what people (users) believe that produces relevancy and not what producers do.

Homeomart

08/17/2018 06:37 am

We are into health care ecommerce and the Google core YMYL updates have impacted our traffic by around 40% since August 1 2018

Riccardo

08/17/2018 10:05 am

My blog about natural health in italian language has been impacted a lot

Stuart Mitchell

08/17/2018 01:35 pm

They also updated their policy on health and health related devices on Google Ads (relaxing it). I know they do this a lot but it seems to support the recent changes across the serps as well, potentially trying to clean up before advertisers who were previously restricted jump onboard? https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/9058851 The analysis here is supported by my client base as well, most unaffected but 2 larger clients in the health or health related sectors affected in a big way. And now a week later one is ranking better than before while the other is struggling to regain their footing. Isn't this just what makes our industry so exciting though? :)

Tim Higgins

08/17/2018 09:18 pm

thats a given...

David Maya

08/18/2018 05:43 am

Not exciting at all. It just sad that we have to keep chasing the whims of a monopolistic mammoth.

masoud

08/18/2018 08:21 am

My website about beauty in iranian language has been impacted a lot http://www.clinicbeton.ir/

Medylife

08/18/2018 03:27 pm

My site is on Health and wellness with loads of listing of Doctors,Hospitals etc.It also has a lot of blogs on these topics.Have seen a drastic drop in traffic since August 4.particularly the organic traffic. www.medylife.com

Jack

08/20/2018 10:57 am

Surely you are smarter than all of Googles search engineers. And what you are proposing has no obvious faults and cannot be gamed (sarcasm).

Jim Thornton

08/20/2018 03:05 pm

nah pure coincidence - Ads and Organic don't talk at all

Jim Thornton

08/20/2018 03:09 pm

wish i could upvote each paragraph here. pure gold

SmackMacDougal

08/20/2018 03:20 pm

Alas, you are not smarter. Keep struggling! Good luck!

Toufiq Hassan Shawon

08/20/2018 06:15 pm

I have got a health niche and got sudden traffic drop and spike again. Most probably google is still not know what they are doing and what they actually want. see my rank screenshot: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a1060c6a8684f3ebee964bf3741b5258abe5ec1916ad94c50574f043d77e2750.png

mozilla

08/20/2018 06:53 pm

Ranking sites based on user clicks from the SERPs would be ridiculous, there would be no way to measure relevance or quality. It would also diminish the effectiveness of their search engine and become a frustrating user experience. Not all sites use Google Analytics and requiring it in order to rank would open up more lawsuits than I think even Google would care to entertain.

SmackMacDougal

08/20/2018 07:09 pm

You: "Ranking sites based on user clicks from the SERPs would be ridiculous..." I've not suggested that, not even remotely. Your reading comprehension skills suck. Reading skills reflect the state of one's intellect. I have suggested using machine learning to discover what keywords more users associate with particular content sets continuously updated so that only user relevance prevails. Good luck!

Asian IT Solutions

08/21/2018 06:18 am

Okay fine, but now anyone have idea what we should do to recover our web ranking that we lost in this update?

Maarten Kuiper

08/21/2018 10:07 pm

Our site, selling food supplements, ranked on position #2 to #5 in many European countries. It has now dropped to pages (!!) 3 to 5, which means going to zero visitors from organic search. Thank Google for killing off our company of 20 years.

Ron

08/24/2018 11:30 pm

It happened to us too...

Jasper Greene

08/25/2018 03:42 am

It happened to 1 of my client he was on top 1 and know came to number 2. I don't think this drop down will effect him because he is on page 1 number 2 but still if you guys have some suggestion for me please tell me.

Nirmal Kant

08/25/2018 06:16 am

Not just one category but it affected almost every category. I have noticed it very keenly for my clients and personal websites. Google may be looking more closely at E-A-T signals in future. So stay tight

Áhšán Biłły

08/25/2018 11:16 am

when this update going to end ???

Áhšán Biłły

08/25/2018 11:20 am

one of my Health site Hit by Google Manual Action (12 AUG 2018) on Unnatural Inboud Links & this site was ranked on more then 150 keywords ... i dont know if its because of this update or else .

Papa

08/26/2018 12:22 pm

Terrible update... I'm professional SEO expert and work 15 years with it, helped for more than 100+ companies achieve top ten search results with many keywords. What google are doing now is catastrophic... For example if I want to search term: treadmills, but in Swedish and other more languages, the first results appear: 1. wikipedia: what is treadmill and etc...? 2. blog site: top 10 benefits of running (revelance? 0%, because homepage its not about it, only category page). 3. Copmany requisites: JSC "super treadmills" or similar to (revelance? 0%, because homepage its not about it, only category page)... So google and google webmaster experts, you want to say this is really normal? The internet shop's that working by years in SEO, day and night, now get punished for nothing... I don't understand, why news, blogs and other high domain authority sites ranks better, than relevant sites... Is that mean, domain authority now means everything? Welcome to the stone age.

Sporto prekės internetu

08/26/2018 04:13 pm

This update is mistake... I hope....

Martin Pippin

08/28/2018 03:41 pm

Its become really easy to understand by your info graph. My stats for recent time at below https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a968ce35125556aeeaa08cec5e6714b8c37e5086e987ca102fd7fa676a697140.png

Thomas Wrobel

08/30/2018 11:24 am

We run spam phone number directories in several countries. The websites are identical apart from the content of course. We have seen a dramatic decrease in traffic for the websites of UK and Mexico only. It seems to be related to the medic update as both sites lost traffic at the same time, while our other sites in the US and Germany showed no reaction. We are a bit at a loss here.

Michael Walden

09/03/2018 02:47 pm

Eighteen years of hard work wiped out overnight. What I thought was a trusted site with sports injury information down 80% on traffic vs previous year. We still have a great content - thats not changed. Thanks Google... https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3377ab49676bf025b6db4fa67033c9317b32059ef49dbcfa2d6e7476e5470d94.jpg ht https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f8cdfd470324295c3f2ece46b119fd84946f4d32e93c4e3496c9e30ca371856.png

The Nerdy Nurse

09/04/2018 12:12 am

I took a pretty drastic hit too. What are you doing to resolve?

The Nerdy Nurse

09/04/2018 12:12 am

Do you think they'll reverse it?

The Nerdy Nurse

09/04/2018 12:14 am

they already include ctr in the serp

Mike Jessop

09/04/2018 08:48 am

I work for a leading Health and Safety Company in the UK and we saw an uplift of 22% KW to page 1, 33% increase on page 2 and 35% increase to page 3. Huge uplift.

Mike Jessop

09/04/2018 08:50 am

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65674b506a7c90ef35b3fd64ad8079eb89d4c0fbd67a04a22636ad03450909d0.png

James Jenkins

09/05/2018 03:41 pm

I have had 3 new clients since the first with a significant drop in SERPS impressions from the 1st August. They include an Holistic website and an Osteopath. FYI

Stefan Scheepers

09/08/2018 02:43 pm

That is interesting. What's your website called?

Jack

09/11/2018 11:14 am

Since you dislike SEO and want it changed, seems you're the one struggling. "Once done, Google engineers then should have code continuously update the keyword-to-content set presented pairs taken at random from all click through data so as to present superior search results." Elaborate on this. And get off your high horse. You just come off as a prick.

SmackMacDougal

09/11/2018 04:01 pm

Aw, Jack. You have hallucinated and told yourself a silly story about me so you can feel comfortable with your superstitious world view. Good luck!

Travis

09/13/2018 04:44 am

search "rhinoplasty plano" and click the #1 organic site. Let me know if you appreciate the information.

WritingMachyne

09/15/2018 01:06 am

Damn google jass's

Tawfeek Qarawi

09/17/2018 07:51 am

Through MEDIC update, defiantly big changes came along in ranking of Medical's sites. Due this big update we loose few projects because clients anger.

Darren Paul Azzopardi

09/17/2018 02:06 pm

Has this been maintained Mike? Our traffic has increased drasticly too.

Mike Jessop

09/17/2018 02:13 pm

It seems to be sticking! What site have you seen a big increase on? Is it a health site?

Darren Paul Azzopardi

09/17/2018 02:34 pm

It's a food hygiene (and safety) site (Train4Food). From the 29th August our rankings shifted to the first page, alot of them.

Mike Jessop

09/17/2018 02:59 pm

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0194b59a948e51244e992792949403bfdb97a1ff87c76d13ac838f6af1545e5c.png

Mike Jessop

09/17/2018 03:00 pm

Looks like you were hit from what I can see???

Matt Makris

09/21/2018 05:25 pm

Our surgery center client got hit hard by this as well. My gut is telling me that Google penalized sites not adhering to basic medical (HIPAA) privacy policies. I'm curious how many sites on dedicated HIPAA approved hosting server setups were affected VS. sites on common shared hosting platforms, like most sites. Internet privacy is the hot topic of the decade, so this update may be an effort to prevent future privacy and PR issues.

WritingMachyne

09/23/2018 10:01 am

So if someone wrote an article about why diabetics should exercise every day, how the heck does this encroach upon privacy laws? "Signs of Skin Cancer," how is this post an infringement of HIPAA? Do you even KNOW what HIPAA actually is?

Daniel Coulton Shaw

10/01/2018 12:41 pm

I report that many of the medical clinics that I work with have reported a 50-80% decrease in organic traffic since August the 1st. As of October 1st (today) the traffic has not returned at all.

Quick-it- Help

10/02/2018 03:37 pm

https://www.quick-it-help.com it is also went down traffic went 0 and many more websites

Ravi kumar

10/05/2018 04:54 am

After get this issue how can i solve this? kindly suggest

Bytec Healthcare

10/05/2018 11:40 am

I second that !!! I too have suffered from this update

Ravi kumar

10/05/2018 01:09 pm

ok sir, but i want to know how can i get our lost ranking.

pateluday

10/09/2018 02:56 pm

Google does not care about all this below it is busy tweaking for its own betterment. From discussions below it is obvious that alternate website exposures are not being sought after . With webmasters losing control over their websites even the Seo tools will lose their sales potential soon. What is required is alternate medium for website exposure and essentially and alternate search engine for organic presence. United webmasters could do it! We are suffering from a malady and that is unprecedented search engine monopoly.

CBD Nutrition Online

10/10/2018 12:30 pm

How to overcome from this update? Even my Website ranking has gone down drastically. Please suggest!

Ian Booth

10/11/2018 12:45 pm

What steps have you taken to recover? Check out Marie Haynes talk from Brighton SEO 2018

David Maya

10/11/2018 09:54 pm

Welcome to monopoly age. The powerful help each other. The small and medium fish are about to disappear.

Joe Jerde

10/25/2018 11:39 am

My guess is that they are looking to monetize the health/medical industry more within the Google Shopping and Ad network more. They kill off the little guy and force them to pay for more ads to get exposure.

Susan

11/03/2018 08:20 am

We've lost more than half of our traffic, and along with that, half of our daily revenue. I'm really not sure what to do to try to recover from this. Ours is a B-to-C niche ecommerce website that specializes in dental products for patients (all OTC products, we are not a manufacturer). So yes, a health-related site. We're a very small business but we have done well. I've worked hard over the past 16 years to ensure that our site has everything that Google expects: original rich content, original photos and videos, https, mobile-friendly, great ratings (4.7 out of 5 Google Trusted, among others), product reviews, helpful articles with authorship tags, fast page loading times, schema code, an About page and an About video, a clean consumer-friendly design, a blog, no ads....all white hat stuff. We were poised to have our best revenue year ever for 2018 when Google derailed our site with the August update. Right now, we're being kept alive by repeat customers and PPC via Adwords/Google Shopping. I REFUSE to spend extra money with Google on Adwords. My budget is my budget and they will not squeeze me with their tactics. As for organic traffic, the demotions have been extremely harsh. Google is pure evil IMHO for wrecking the livelihoods of respectable people with respectable websites/businesses that have tried to do "everything right." I am sick about this, I am flaming angry, and personally I hope that Google gets taken down off their high horse in a big way. This search engine monopoly has to end! Should I spend $$$$ on an SEO expert to try to help us recover -- or just wait this out / explore other avenues (other than Google) to boost our exposure and sales? I'm just not sure what to do.

Stephanie Maitner

11/08/2018 03:56 am

This is mainly due to the addiction treatment area of the search engine being updated majorly at least 4 times in the last 3 months. First they removed ads from displaying due to patient brokering. Look it up if you don't know what it is. Then they updated the algorithm for addiction-specific keywords to display the SAMHA.gov website as number one for every term while they were working on verifying facilities. Then they began adding ads again, and there was another update where drugabuse.com became #1 for everything and then a ton of people complained because that is a privately owned website for a publicly traded rehab. Google then made updates again to add more room for more ads, and then switched from drugabuse.com at #1 to usa.gov to #1 within a matter of two weeks. Then this week they have finally updated the algorithm back to SAMHSA.gov/helpline. All my clients previous to this were ranking for the most terms they ever were then last week and this week they all saw minor to major drops for most sites.

Stephanie Maitner

11/08/2018 04:00 am

P.S. because addiction treatment is under the healthcare industry it effects the overall algorithm every time they make stupid updates like this. It's also unreal how slow Legit Script is moving now that they know they can verify facilities within a week really of doing the work. There are good places that are closing because they don't have access to immediate advertising that would allow the time needed in order for the SEO rankings to build up. Google needs to stop messing with businesses in the healthcare industry overall with the HTTPS requirement just as recent as last year it seems like they just now "care about patients" but if they did they would stop making changes to places that effect the way people receive treatment.

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 05:05 pm

Hi Susan, your story resonated with me because we are in the same exact position -- 10 years of website maintenance and growth using white hat tactics only, to have everything wiped out within weeks (since the update). I'm still looking for a solution. I'd love to hear more about your experience and if you've found a solution, as well as share my own thoughts and experiences. Are you open to chatting over email or phone? We are a doctors office in Los Angeles, CA. Thank you!

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 05:09 pm

Are you an SEO for medical websites? Have you found a fix? Our website was hit badly and I'm looking for a solution.

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 05:14 pm

Hi Michael, your story resonated with me because we are in the same exact position -- 10 years of website maintenance and growth using white hat tactics only, to have everything wiped out within weeks (since the update). I'm still looking for a solution. I'd love to hear more about your experience and if you've found a solution, as well as share my own thoughts and experiences. Are you open to chatting over email? We are a doctors office in Los Angeles, CA. Thank you!

Daniel Coulton Shaw

11/17/2018 05:41 pm

Hi Benjamin, a summary of my findings last month are here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-medic-update-my-website-ranking-recovery-daniel-coulton-shaw/ and on Monday I'll be speaking at Google Hungary on my latest findings to medical clinics from that region. I can send you my notes if you like after the event.

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 05:48 pm

Hi Alex, your story resonated with me because we are in the same exact position -- 10 years of website maintenance and growth using white hat tactics only, to have everything wiped out within weeks (since the update). I'm still looking for a solution. I'd love to hear more about your experience and if you've found a solution, as well as share my own thoughts and experiences. Are you open to chatting over email? We are a doctors office in Los Angeles, CA. Thank you!

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 06:00 pm

Hi, your story resonated with me because we are in the same exact position -- 10 years of website maintenance and growth using white hat tactics only, to have everything wiped out within weeks (since the update). I'm still looking for a solution. I'd love to hear more about your experience and if you've found a solution, as well as share my own thoughts and experiences. Are you open to chatting over email? We are a doctors office in Los Angeles, CA. Thank you!

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 06:02 pm

Hi Philippe, Same thing happened to us. It's really unfortunate for our business and traffic. Have you seen any improvements as a result of your updates? Any advice you can give? Thanks Ben

Benjamin Hoffman

11/17/2018 06:16 pm

yes please do! feel free to update this thread so I (and others reading) can review. my clients would love to reverse the downward trend in traffic as soon as possible.

Don Hesh

11/18/2018 12:40 am

Yes, surely hit me up “seo at donhesh. Com .au”

Michael Walden

11/19/2018 11:24 am

Hi Benjamin Could you send me your email address please, and I will get Michael to reply personally. Kind regards Julie (sports injury clinic staff)

Benjamin Hoffman

11/20/2018 01:09 am

Hi Julie, I'd love to get in touch w Michael but not sure if I want to put my email within the public comment section. Are you comfortable sharing his email address or other contact info with me here? Or, if he wants to contact me via twitter: https://twitter.com/benhoffman_

Michael Walden

11/20/2018 10:30 am

Hi Benjamin I have forwarded your twitter details on to Michael. Best of luck! Julie

Matt Aitkenhead

11/21/2018 02:51 pm

From observation - a ton of sites I know that DO rank well... and make a ton of cash, still - focus on a structure like: Hot shit OnPage SEO, 20% PBN links (so long as there is anchor text diversification and it's a solid network), and getting links from relevant sites (see who the top guys get links from, and do relevant outreach PR with a newswire service or reach out to editors direct).... and as far as DA goes... forget about it. Moz doesn't mean a thing - I got a LOT of links with DA 80 etc. checked their TF out at Majestic... TF 0! They were hurting us. Focus on Ahrefs or Majestic (still the best I think for metrics). And despite what people say about keyword stuffing, it still bloody works, all the top guys in my niche's are doing it - I like to use my own eyes, not an 'expert's opinion. Good luck.

mozilla

11/26/2018 06:16 am

My reading comprehension is just fine, perhaps you should work on articulating your ideas better. Or, better yet, have a decent one - your idea is simplistic at best. You're suggesting littering the SERPs with irrelevant and poor content just to study user interaction. How quickly do you think users would switch to another search engine if they couldn't find decent content via Google? The only data that can be logged is user clicks. Users will click on page 1 results, but that's not a measure of good content, it just means a user clicked on a result that was placed there randomly, as you suggest. If you rotate all content on and off page 1 you're going to get clicks on each link based solely on those results being on page 1 and their title/meta descriptions. Your suggestion is short sighted and your arrogance blinds you.

Kingsley Felix

12/07/2018 10:42 am

My Site was hit as well, guess what? HEALTH

Kingsley Felix

12/07/2018 10:48 am

How do i recover from this? Mine is a Health blog for 6 years now

Saesult

12/11/2018 10:06 pm

I am actually from the healthcare industry. Since I blog about female related wellness topics with an emphasis on honesty I have been keeping eye on the virtual world for a long time. Something changed in 2016. A whole lot of articles which gave completely false information about health and lifestyle started ranking higher. They all had one thing in common. The titles were clickbaits. So I understand that an update was required. At the same time, you could easily see how they were bsing. Unfortunately, the update made things much worse. Use Google for healthcare info at your own risk now. Their quality guideline will tear your life apart. Appeal to authority is the last thing you should rely on when it comes to healthcare. Small site owners have no agenda. They made Internet a trusted source because they published their own test reports or what people needed. Now you have dermatologists telling people how lemon clears up wrinkles. That’s the most fatal tip of the century ranking high after that update. Lemon actually will turn you into an 88 year old just in two weeks. Medical authority will never ever give you right information unless it is difficult to hide it. A doctor’s career, esp in our country, is dependent on peer reviews. He has to agree with his pals no matter how wrong they are. There is no way out. Good luck people, but then again you may grow rich through this update. False information ranking high now puts google at high risk of getting sued several times.

Pamela Frank

12/17/2018 12:08 am

The same has happened here. We are a local wellness clinic in Toronto. Have had a website for 10+ years. Regular new content via blog posts, follow all SEO rules, not spammy, don't post duplicate content, links to research to support all of our content etc etc. But traffic started dropping at the beginning of August and in the toilet since.

Ken Anderskov

12/22/2018 12:56 pm

Hi Susan, i share your pain and understand where you are coming from, it happened to many of our clients for different reasons, but look at it this way, you are angry that Google no longer lets you make money off them for free. Why would they want to be selling your products for free? You have had a sweetspot on the first page and made good money off it but it's probably time you start paying for marketing and ads like most other companies have to :( Having the first spot on google is like having a gigantic store on the best shopping street in the city, and not paying rent like everyone else. As for a SEO expert, finding someone honest who knows their stuff is virtually impossible, most of them are either shady characters using damaging SEO techniques or if you are lucky, they simply don't know what they are doing. IMHO, Google Ads are cheaper than constantly experimenting with SEO (I am biased though as we do medical online marketing)

Jonathan Hedger

02/20/2019 03:48 pm

Since the update we have had a number of organisations coming to us in order to source subject matter experts who can validate the claims on their website and assist with Medic Update recovery. Check out kolabtree.com

Karen Bergeron

03/09/2019 08:54 pm

Exactly. I sold a product for Poison Ivy... the page about the plant used was in the top five results for 20 years and now it's on page nine. You won't find any pages that sell products on the first page, no matter how informative they are, unless they bought an ad. Business ruined, even though I have A+ rating with BBB and have always refunded to any customer who wasn't happy with my products. When I asked Google about this, I was told that I can't call a plant medicinal because I'm not a doctor and people could suffer harm using folk remedies. Over90% traffic drop to a site that tells you how to pick and use wild herbs in your yard, fields and forest with little commercial content. I do this for love of herbs and teaching, barely make a living, so can't afford the ads.

Karen Bergeron

03/09/2019 09:58 pm

I went from #1 under Jewelweed, a plant used to clear up Poison Ivy rash, to page 9.

rdevlin

03/26/2019 04:56 pm

Easy champ, you're on the same side.

Chauhadry Asim

04/01/2019 06:53 am

Have you penalized by this update?

Lanu Pitan

04/12/2019 08:56 am

The unfortunate issue about health & wellness industry, especially with supplements is that IT IS UNREGULATED industry. So if the author is not consumed by greed, he/she will want to do the right thing, otherwise you are on your own if you happen to be a user of fake supplements.

M Tåriq Siddique

05/11/2019 04:42 am

please can you elaborate to this this topic?

Yvette McKenzie

06/07/2019 04:02 am

My site alycevayleauthor.com was hit very hard. I am a blogger who is not blogging for monetary gain, in the health and wellness space. I have lost 30% traffic since June 3rd 2019. I blog about diets, meditation etc.

Claudio Heilborn

06/07/2019 08:47 am

Dear Yvette, Google has deployed couple updates as from approximately one year ago. Basic goal was and still is searching for trust and professionalism in any site related to health, also other activities, but mainly health. I am not sure they are achieving this with the new settings and filters for the algorithm to rank sites, but... if you want to try reversing your actual situation, make a try on this: IF you are a health professional, speak about yourself, show your profile, degrees, all your professional achievements, link to you social media, especially to your professional social media profiles, like Linkedin. Show papers you have written, if any. In the case you don´t have any degree and you really want to keep your blog running and growing, maybe you should try searching for a professional that makes your "front desk" and "curates" your content. Anyway, this is just a suggestion, and you can happily live with your blog, just as it is right now. Have a nice day!

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06/24/2019 09:36 pm

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Barbara V Kelly

08/29/2019 11:33 am

my site is lost

HLTGRP

10/21/2019 07:55 am

I will never understand these suggestions. We act as if they have 500 million employees actively READING our websites AND understanding whats written. That is literally impossible! The specificity of what they are trying to do is IMPOSSIBLE to retain accuracy in their conclusions. Me adding a "Doctor" to a page on a 700 page website is not going to have any effect. Adding a sentence saying "This was written by a doctor" wont either. The reality is Google is destroying its search results with this crap and MILLIONS of quality sites are getting destroyed by it. Its almost as if they need something to do all the time to screw things up even further. I have been running a health related consumer community site for 22 years. Used to be ranked Page 1 placement 1 for 18 of those years. Ever since they started this nonsense about health sites, I have gone from millions of users to 100,000 a month. A 95% loss. Since Oct 2018 i lost 90% of what I had left. And why? Because Google wants me to mention that a doctor advised me on my site content? This is insanity and I am livid with their crap! 22 years and my business is destroyed because of it.

HLTGRP

10/21/2019 08:00 am

You would think a company that made medical information available to everyone would realize that not only MD's are educated on health topics anymore. This isn't the dark ages where only certain elites have access to information. Now everyone does. Does Google actually believe that only DOCTORS are going to be the ones running websites? As if they dont have jobs and practices to attend to, now they are supposedly the content creators for the whole internet too? Its insanity, and its the worship of the almighty "MD" that is causing this stupidity at Google. Their intentions are fine, but if I had a dollar for every physician who told me flat out wrong information, I would be a millionaire. And my own mother would be alive today. Some websites are not claiming to be Hospital or University Medicine sites. They're claiming to be community sites like mine where people interact and share information on their health conditions. Far more valuable than a stupid one-pager on the American Academy of Dermatology site that has zero resources, and zero information outside of a canned three-paragraphs of over-simplified text. But all of us are now ruined. Our sites are ranked 60+ pages back and further being destroyed. Google has become a bad actor.

HLTGRP

10/21/2019 08:03 am

The reality is that the longer you've been around, the worse this whole thing will seem, because Google has repeatedly degraded their search results quality over the last 20 years. We've been online since 1999, and today Google has completely ruined us like we are dirt underneath their shoe, when we were ranked Page 1 Placement 1 for over 18 years, because we always played by the rules, wrote authentically unique content, and never tried to cheat the system. This is the end result of Google becoming a bad actor in this space.

HLTGRP

10/21/2019 08:05 am

Page 1 placement one for 18 years starting in 1999 here. Now we are lucky to find ourselves on Page 60, and traffic has gone from millions a month to less than 100,000 a month. Thanks Google for destroying all your best content.

Claudio Heilborn

10/21/2019 11:30 am

Hey HLTGRP, I am truly sad about your business. Really! I was just trying to suggest patches and giving some ideas that could suit some blogs or sites more than others. Maybe I can help you get this understandable bitterness a bit away, and understand Google's intentions, which not always work well, and are not always good and not commercially oriented. Let us say some really informed people, even doctors with a degree, which actually happened, say vaccines are risky and they suggest “not to apply them to our kids”. There is, in the best-case scenario, at least some serious controversy about any scientific grounds to sustain this affirmation. Hence, Google does not want to endorse that affirmation, ranking something that could put part of the population on health risk. As you can clearly see in my profile I am not a BIG friend of Google´s policies in the last few years. But I definitely understand Google´s intentions, in this case. Even if they are not making this work really well, for sites that are speaking about health and some other subjects that could affect our life´s, they are "TRYING THEIR BEST" to only let qualified undisputed professionals, with scientific consensus, give their word. Let us say now that somebody says that: “orange juice cures cancer…” isn´t it Google obliged in some way or another to skim this content and show a reputed and undisputed source of knowledge (eg mayo clinic) speaking about this? Do you see the risk? In this case, Google is making its best, and NOT ALWAYS ACHIEVING this goal, but it´s doing truly something not to affect and get in risk lives of people trying to fetch health information on the web. Now let us see if I can help you with just a couple ideas: 1) Do you speak about yourself in your blog? Consider writing your bio. 2) Do you have any degrees? where did you achieve your knowledge? years of experience, resources you researched etc. 3) Do you provide clear contact info, email, address, telephone etc? 4) Did you publish any paper or wrote in news media with your name? Could you consider doing so? 5) If you didn´t but you have some reputed professionals that endorse your content could you ask them to write some articles and publish them with their name and including 1) 2) 3) at the end of the content as a short Bio? 6) Do you link to reputed sites that endorse your content? 7) Do you link to papers from where you obtained your content? 8) Care about grammar, Google seems to pay attention to this. 9) Answer your reviews, even the bad ones. 10) If you supply any service or goods: Give a clear refund policy and supply a customer service contact. Finally, the idea is to become a MASSIVE AUTHORITY with name, address and full contact info of whoever created and owns this content, making him affordable and reachable for anybody. Your social media profiles, if curated, could help build this authority. Especially those related with your professional activity like Linkedin, also consider getting a Google Scholar profile or academia.edu or a healthy medium.com profile. Please do try to understand that I am just giving you some ideas that could work, or not. Google didn´t publish any manual explaining how to get this right, and it´s on the same line as Google´s intention, because if they would publish a 10 bullet´s to: "Rank in Health Content Niche" everybody would try to tweak its content to precisely cope with Google´s policy and then they could jump the hurdles Google is trying to impose to get it´s desired quality. Anyway, there are a search quality Google manual rater guidelines for trust, where you can get some ideas that could fit your site. You can find those guidelines here: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/guidelines.raterhub.com/en//searchqualityevaluatorguidelines.pdf Thanks for your understanding and hope some of my suggestions, or other´s, help you recover from this catastrophe. Feel free to get in touch with me if you think I can further help you in any way. Regards Claudio

Cash$Money

06/27/2020 05:34 pm

How to get rank up after that update? It’s a hard one, looking for article regarding that.

Furqan (SEO)

01/13/2021 06:14 am

Most of the Healthcare website got drastic ranking down after this Update. keep continue the focus on quality content and website. Build a site that people want to visit.

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