Did Google's Hummingbird Algorithm Hurt Your Site's Rankings?

Oct 3, 2013 • 8:10 am | comments (236) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates

Google Hummingbird AnimatedLast week, Google told us they pushed out a completely rewritten algorithm named Hummingbird.

They said the new algorithm was released a month or so ago and no one should have noticed it. But as I said, I think we did notice something. Why do I think that?

On 9/12, 9/4 and 8/24 we saw significant chatter in the forum to warrant us asking Google if there was an update. Google denied that there was an algorithm update all times. But all of these may correspond to a possible overlap with Hummingbird.

I cannot tell you if all of them are Hummingbird related or if none of them are. Only Google can tell you that.

All I can say is that on those dates, we saw complaints about ranking shifts. Google denied that they were anything. A month or so later, Google announces there was an algorithm update that completely rewrote the Google algorithm, it should have no visual impact on rankings and no one noticed anything. No one noticed anything? Really?

Again, I have no way to know when you may have noticed an update that was specific to Hummingbird. I suspect parts of Hummingbird has rolled out slowly over time, even before a month ago. But on which dates? Only Google knows. Do they correspond with 9/12, 9/4 and 8/24 - no idea.

So how do you know if the Google Hummingbird Algorithm hurt or improved your site in Google? You don't and will never know, without Google confirming the roll out dates of Hummingbird and also confirming nothing else launched on those dates that were related to ranking.

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld.

I intentionally made this hummingbird into a mockingbird by making it into an annoying animated GIF, as per the chatter in the forums.

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Amit Kumar

10/03/2013 12:17 pm

Still Lucky Not affected by this...


10/03/2013 12:17 pm

Barry, I'm just here for the gif. Put on some funk music and watch that little birdie dance.

Barry Schwartz

10/03/2013 12:24 pm

ah, music! :)


10/03/2013 12:24 pm

i have seen traffic decrease on my site from past days...even when i am doing pure white hat and all legit stuff for my site

avinash r

10/03/2013 12:25 pm

No sign of ranking drop seen by this update yet..

Austin Larson

10/03/2013 12:44 pm

This update is sneaky, the change in ranking for a keyword is slow but permanent. I have keywords that improved by 1-2 positions each day (from position 20~) from the start of this update until few days ago and now they are stuck at 4-5.


10/03/2013 01:08 pm

I saw a ranking drop on 5 keywords on my new site (just getting established) on or just before the 12th August. This was especially noticable for the brand name, which went from ~11 to ~81 - since then it has gradually risen to ~68. I would imagine this is related to the site being in it's infancy with very little content while the business is being built, but it's still a little worrying to see a sharp fall in ranking, especially for the brand name.


10/03/2013 01:15 pm

I saw some relatively new sites that had just appeared on the serps drop back off for main keywords and some other sites roll back to previous positions. I think that while they were and probably still are implementing the new algo they put the serps on hold. Im expecting a date refresh very soon, also GWT is about a week behing and needs to be updated.

Gareth Goddard

10/03/2013 01:32 pm

That makes a lot of sense when put like that. I saw some of my sites move to page one then drop back to where they were a few weeks ago. I assumed google had just devalued some links, but having hummingbird as a snapshot of a few weeks ago or the time of launch makes sense. Hopefully these rankings should start to move back into place as Google is "sure" the algo is working right

Muhammad Usman

10/03/2013 01:48 pm

I am interesting with Google Updates because it always become a beneficial source for me.Thanks Matt Cutts

Stephane Brault

10/03/2013 01:54 pm

My website keeps climbing so I can't complain ;-)

Zafran Ali

10/03/2013 02:06 pm

My website going very good and improve day by day :)


10/03/2013 02:27 pm

Sorry for my english i am french. this is my personnal view : Hummingbird is not a penalty, this is just an algo, so rankings can move a little because it is more specific and accurate, but if your site has been hurted a lot of (page one to page ten for example) i think is not Hummingbird. Panda and penguin are again rolled out over this algo and i think Google has rolled out theses one after roll out Hummingbird. I have posted this morning on my blog in french in details. and i repeat this is my personnal view


10/03/2013 02:55 pm

Fell 55% on the 4th of September. Has not recovered since. avg CTR and position (on results page) has increased though..

Durant Imboden

10/03/2013 03:42 pm

Our average rankings, as reported by Google WMT, have been climbing slowly but steadily for the last four to six weeks. Whether that's due to Hummingbird or something else is impossible to say. (I've been adding a lot of schema article markup and pagination since about mid-August.)

Corey Moyers

10/03/2013 04:08 pm

I've seen the same thing on one of our new sites. I was worried it was something else but your explanation makes total sense. First serps ranking according to GWT was in early Sept and it had a massive jump up on the 19th only to drop back down to normal on the 20th and slowly continue to climb. I checked again yesterday and the site was gone for all KW and I've only gotten a handful of links from good PR sites. No bad links at all. Hopefully you are right and we will come back stronger than before.


10/03/2013 04:22 pm

At least you have the topic to talk about during the next SEO conference, hosted by you. You can call it : " Why have I no clue what to do when I lost traffic ? "


10/03/2013 04:32 pm

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why does Google tell people about the algorithm updates if they are going to turn around and deny half the stuff they actually do? Doesn't an update only tell people how to optimize your site? It just seems strange to tell people what to do to rank their sites better but then turn around and do everything possible to punish those that are optimizing sites to the "Google Standard".

Durant Imboden

10/03/2013 05:28 pm

I think the point of announcing Hummingbird was to say "Stop obsessing about keywords and mechanical SEO tactics. We're moving on, and so should you."


10/03/2013 05:40 pm

Maybe they [Google] are in panic and don't know what is going on internally. Seriously the fact that they asked Barry not to talk about updates looks suspicious, maybe they want to hide the fact that they are doing updates that are not completely ready and they are not sure that all is on the right track on their end and are still doing tests we can actually see live and kicking... and because they screwed up many traffic for websites and got tons of complaints they decided that it is better to announce something and keep it foggy because they really don't have a clue :P Seriously the fact that they have tons of bugs this week in many of their products (GA errors, WMT missing keyword data, the new keyword planner missing data, etc.) raises a serious question, what is going on there? Wacky stoned programmers took control over the smart geeks?

Barry Schwartz

10/03/2013 05:41 pm

Google did not ask me "not to talk about updates." They told me there was no update and suggested I stop asking.


10/03/2013 05:51 pm

my bad, I should be more politically correct... by "stop asking" as a public post?

Barry Schwartz

10/03/2013 05:54 pm

Thank you Dave. :)


10/03/2013 06:14 pm

I understand that part of it, but why make an announcement about an update at all if you dont want people to ask questions and you want them to just move on?

Durant Imboden

10/03/2013 06:39 pm

People are always demanding that Google be more "transparent," so wouldn't it make sense to announce a major change in how search results are being put together? It's a PR win with consumers, investors, and journalists, and it has the added benefit of telling SEOs and publishers that they might do better in the future if they focus on content instead of on short-term tactics.


10/03/2013 06:40 pm

And why in the hell tell them a month after it happened????????????


10/03/2013 07:28 pm

Just look around. Not on this blog, but around in general. Ask people around you, do they care about the Google updates ? These are consumers of Google search and they don't care about the updates. They can be satisfied with the product or not, but for sure they don't care about the updates. Billions of consumers don't care about the updates. Why bother? That's it.


10/03/2013 07:58 pm

Isn't PR intended to be positive?? lol I don't know anyone that jumps up and down when there is a press release from Google about algorithm updates.

Love Energy Savings

10/03/2013 08:01 pm

How can Matt Cutts sleep at night then enjoy his cornflakes in the morning?


10/03/2013 08:06 pm

Feel free to use his Twitter or G+ to request this information.

Craig Hamilton-Parker

10/03/2013 08:21 pm

Dancing Hamsters music would lift our spirits.


10/03/2013 09:00 pm

I hate having to login in order to vote down. -1 anyway.


10/03/2013 09:10 pm

Stop using in your site any Google service or Google code like Analytics, +1 button, AdSense, etc., and you won't be worried anymore for any of these stupid updates. Focus on Yahoo, Bing, DuckDuckGo, etc., Anyway, at the end, Google will be doing everything they can to leave you with no traffic. If you already lost indiscriminately more than 50% of the Google traffic you had last year, don't worry anymore about Google, that traffic isn't coming back anyway. Don't waste your time.


10/03/2013 09:21 pm

it like again some kind of stupid filter. but if they has rewritten core, it not not better - it exactly same. anyway quality of serp is not good now, only authority spammy sites.


10/03/2013 09:22 pm

sure, google is scroogle now.


10/03/2013 09:23 pm

after it will new competition on his blog - "can i not sleep every night and not enjoy my cornflakes for 30 days"


10/03/2013 09:53 pm

they cares, 100%. i get lot of questions and explain peoples what google "not like was before", it display now only top brands, own sites, affiliates scroogle products, adwords ads in huge numbers & websites of internet coalition.


10/03/2013 09:55 pm

moving down? deep space or deep abyss?


10/03/2013 09:57 pm

oh, it real photo of mr matt cutts?

Durant Imboden

10/03/2013 10:09 pm

Google's announcement of Hummingbird got coverage by major news media around the world--coverage that was almost uniformly positive, emphasizing the message that Google is moving forward in natural-language search. The only negative comments that I've seen have been from SEO types and site owners who think they've been hurt by Hummingbird. Sounds like a PR win to me.

Stuart David

10/03/2013 10:32 pm

I don't personally subscribe to this Google Analytic's being used as a tool for Google on the sly , Google know as well as anybody, Analytic's numbers can be cooked very very easily, they are basically useless. If you don't believe me, tell me your site and I'll extract your Analytics ID and cook your numbers to a million visitors in an hour to prove my point. And Google know this floor which renders that data simply useless.


10/03/2013 11:35 pm

Hi Corey, Unless you have a manual penalty in GWT you have nothing to worry about, just give it time. Regards


10/03/2013 11:40 pm

As with the above poster the 'glimpse' you saw before should hopefully come into the next serp update, due to monitoring serps over the past few years one of the things ive noticed is that instead of a gradual moving forward of a site its more like a data refresh where a site will jump quite a few positions when google pushes out a data refresh, but im not in every serp just v competitive ones so it may not be the same for all, but as with the above poster ive got new and old sites that have rolled back to 3 week ago positions, hopefully they will go to new pos shortly

Yogita Aggarwal

10/04/2013 02:50 am

I am noticing few positive ranking effects on my blog Dreamtechie from last three weeks. And I am not sure the effects are because of Hummingbird Algorithm or its my work.


10/04/2013 03:47 am

I doubt it if you spam like this.

Yogita Aggarwal

10/04/2013 04:02 am

Well, I placed that URL in comment so that users can check the effects I was talking about in my last comment. I never meant to create Spam intentionally. Apologize.

Soni Sharma

10/04/2013 04:33 am

I noticed 5% growth in traffic on my blog.

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:11 am

Hi yogita , I saw increase in traffic of my blog

Kamaldeep Singh SEO

10/04/2013 06:04 am

Yes increased Ranking in SERP

Ashish Ahuja

10/04/2013 06:42 am

this update has resulted in huge increase in search traffic to authority and brand sites


10/04/2013 07:07 am

Let me know, How can user see the ranking effects by your URL, You are doing just spamming. If you really want to share your searches then you should share your GA & GWT data.


10/04/2013 07:14 am

Google always doing some different, I was thinking that new update will be zebra after the penguin update. Coz most of the experts discussed about this update. But again shocked Google always do unique. I also agreed with @ashish_ahuja:disqus, Now Google more focused on trust, brand, authority. No one knows what is the next...


10/04/2013 08:24 am

Where have you got that information from? Please share data.


10/04/2013 08:25 am

Focused on trust and authority? Surely not. Whatever will the little scamps think of next.


10/04/2013 08:30 am

Looking hot.

Johnny U

10/04/2013 09:58 am

My pages with rich snippets are listed on my google webmaster page. Now my products images are showing up in searches. No change in number of visitors and no change in sales. I still have not recovered from the last update in 2011. Page views down 60% from 2010 when I had great sales. Hummingbird may the last nail in my coffin or it may save me?

Rob jH

10/04/2013 11:08 am

Firstly love the Gif! I have seen some sites drop out for bigger terms which now seem to be more dominated by sites like Amazon, Ebay, Yell etc.

Rob jH

10/04/2013 11:09 am

That's what I have been seeing too


10/04/2013 11:10 am

I don't there is any impact on your organic results. It is almost same. If you are already following white hat seo techniques in right manner then there is no need to worry about the updates.

Rob jH

10/04/2013 11:13 am

Probably in case it did not work, then they are not to blame if they have not announced an update, a bit shady but makes sense if you think about it

SEO Land Inc

10/04/2013 11:15 am

I don't there is any impact on your organic results. It is almost same. If you are already following white hat seo techniques in right manner then there is no need to worry about the updates or algorithm.

Rob jH

10/04/2013 11:19 am

Just need the music now and hamsters: http://images.seroundtable.com/matt-cutts-google-dance-1372247270.gif

Patti Paz

10/04/2013 11:39 am

I have a bit of concern about statements like this: "I don't there is any impact on your organic results." So, now the seo 'experts' can make universal statements like this. No wonder, website owners like me are so confused. Next, you will be Guaranteeing Google 1st page listings . . . . .


10/04/2013 11:40 am

you mean white hat in black hat way? like guest posts, links on high pr sites, etc? Just other from "natural white hat" is not working.


10/04/2013 11:42 am

it really easy with adwords :) it why google created all this chaos.


10/04/2013 11:43 am

next, they will focus on id number.

old gaffer

10/04/2013 12:01 pm

How many agree that larger authority sites are doing better?


10/04/2013 12:26 pm

100% yes, big brands are now all over

Muhammad Usman

10/04/2013 12:31 pm


Sandeep Malviy

10/04/2013 12:33 pm

Barry, can you please take a look and share your thoughts if this site is affected.

Muhammad Usman

10/04/2013 12:34 pm

O! Really

Barry Schwartz

10/04/2013 12:34 pm

Like I said, there is no way to tell what site is impacted by hummingbird.

Muhammad Usman

10/04/2013 12:35 pm

I am friend of Matt Cutts

Muhammad Usman

10/04/2013 12:38 pm

If you have problem in Vote Down then you should Login for Vote Up


10/04/2013 12:56 pm

Google is Following NWO Agenda 21 , "Kill Small Business"

Sandeep Malviy

10/04/2013 12:58 pm

Actually I had attached one screenshot which shows the GA comparison, visits and different dates pointed out. Tried to attach here again.

Barry Schwartz

10/04/2013 12:59 pm

Why do you say the 20th was Hummingbird? Where did you get that information? Did you make it up?

Muhammad Usman

10/04/2013 12:59 pm

Its Good . I think because of your good strategy. Good work keep it Up and suggest me please, about Google New Update.Thanks


10/04/2013 01:09 pm

Hummingbird only bit Non Authority websites even through Authority websites are doing absolutely nothing special to satisfy hummingbird criteria .

Sandeep Malviy

10/04/2013 01:30 pm

Oops! a BIG misunderstanding, might be I was in too hurry and flooded with so many things at same time. :( Is this possible to get a comment if you take a look at the big drop at 29-August.

Barry Schwartz

10/04/2013 01:43 pm

I am not sure what to say.


10/04/2013 02:17 pm

I work on a legal Q&A site that appears to have been affected by Hummingbird. Historically speaking, we rank really well for long tail, question-based queries. Seeing as though Hummingbird is centered around conversational searches, I don't think it's a coincidence that organic search traffic from Google dropped considerably around the middle of August to the site.


10/04/2013 02:58 pm

Yeah. We've been working to remove an unnatural links penalty for almost six months now, but after three requests, new content, etc, we're still having problems. We saw huge hits in July and September. We were around page 5 for our core search term and we're now on page 10. Originally, our other terms weren't being affected, but, around late August, we started seeing everything begin to drop off.


10/04/2013 03:05 pm

The bird didn't like us but it obviously loved our big brand competitors. Big brands rule our targeted keywords even more than before.

Ashish Ahuja

10/04/2013 03:23 pm

ok see the proof here http://www.avainfotechseo.com/google-hummingbird-algorithm-update/ all authority websites on general have doubled their search traffic


10/04/2013 03:40 pm

All the small businesses I look after that have decent content e.t.c. are ranking as well or better now. Perhaps these brands in questions just have better content/website. Google doesn't care if its a big brand or not (unless you search on brand name of course) but they do care about the quality of the website, so if the big brand spends massive amounts making an awesome website, there is a dam good reason why they rank better.


10/04/2013 04:01 pm

Try using the Fruition penalty checker. Barry is not really here to answer SEO questions...


10/04/2013 04:02 pm

Google without all of us has no power. Google's Achilles heel is the enduser. Tired of all this bullshit and monopoly from Google? STOP USING GOOGLE!!! And tell everyone you know NOT to use Google! Problem solved!


10/04/2013 04:06 pm

Except that they are "Authority" sites? LOL


10/04/2013 04:07 pm

its Friday night, and im bald!

Emma North

10/04/2013 04:09 pm

I haven't seen any effects on rankings whatsoever which is not surprising seeing as this is not an update designed to revise how they essentially value sites and order them in search results; Hummingbird is a complete refresh in the way the search engine interprets the users intent. That said; if your successes have typically always come from long-tail queries, I think you would be more likely to see some fluctuations.

Rob Kissell

10/04/2013 04:39 pm

@Barry - kicked in the (*^%$ for our top terms. Most look like this. Have not recovered.

Rob Kissell

10/04/2013 04:45 pm

I work in niche vacation rentals and big brands like Flipkey and Tripadvisor are plaguing the results with several first page serves... so much for domain diversity.

Rob Kissell

10/04/2013 04:48 pm

Thanks for the tip Colin, I work in a very seasonal business and Fruition managed to match all kinds of updates with regular dips/growths. Thanks tho.

Ashish Ahuja

10/04/2013 05:01 pm

agree its not that google picks and chooses which are brand and authorities and which are not. It relies on signals and if small website gives it that signals then it ranks them high. But on an overall basis this update has increased overall se traffic for big brands and authority sites.


10/04/2013 05:16 pm

Did extremely well with several websites

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:30 pm

Yeah Fruition is good tool

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:31 pm

Congo Kamaldeep

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:33 pm

She is not spamming ok :)

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:33 pm

Matt Always enjoy his morning cornflakes by playing with feelings of webmasters

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:39 pm

Congo soni

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:39 pm

Hey ashish me also seeing brands are ranking higher, small businesses had to struggle a lot

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:41 pm

But mostly people use Google as a searchengine, they dont use other engines much. They trust google for better results

Kamaldeep Singh SEO

10/04/2013 05:43 pm

Oh thanks @jitendravaswani:disqus

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:44 pm

can u show me some sites ?

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:44 pm

sandeep from where u get it , tell me atleast


10/04/2013 06:16 pm

you are his secret bf?

Ryan Key

10/04/2013 08:55 pm

Haven't really seen much of a difference


10/04/2013 09:57 pm

My website dropped from No 1 position to No 13 (page 2!) overnight actually last night!

Ian Mason

10/04/2013 10:25 pm

As of today I'm seeing several sites going from top 10 to 300+, and some of my old domains which dont even exist anymore are showing up instead... it's like a time machine... What the?!!! Why is Google showing results from years ago?


10/05/2013 01:02 am

My website went from page 1 to not even existing, and we have recently been working overtime to provide more content, more social media work and even updated our Wordpress. Nothing makes sense


10/05/2013 02:59 am

Agreed. Have two sites, exact same age, identical site strategies, rich content filled (valuable content) and went from #1 with one to nowhere whilst the other had no change whatsoever.


10/05/2013 03:22 am

Keep telling yourself that lol. If that is true, then Google never cared about good content until now haha


10/05/2013 03:39 am

I wonder why Google is elusive about their algorithm?


10/05/2013 04:04 am

Trust me I feel your pain. Have the same issue. Was rocking #1- #5 just by posting a new page. Now you wouldn't even know my website existed. Has great content and wordpress theme.

Kyle Eggleston

10/05/2013 06:03 am

Never going to happen. They have too much market share and influence. Too much power.

varun sharma

10/05/2013 06:49 am

Google tries hard to make better algo but unfortunately that's not sufficient. Every update punishes some good sites also ( knowingly or unknowingly).

Jitendra Vaswani

10/05/2013 06:56 am

nobody can answer that , we have to bear with google

Jitendra Vaswani

10/05/2013 06:56 am

I feel ur anguish but I hope you will see steep increase in your rankings.

Jitendra Vaswani

10/05/2013 06:59 am

Yes you are right white hat will work always. Never spam

Jitendra Vaswani

10/05/2013 07:01 am

very welll congrats

Hector Garcia

10/05/2013 03:21 pm

Our site dropped from 56% visibility TEN keywords ranking #1 to 5% visibility to no sites above rank 10. We were replaced by sites that have bad content irrelevant information to the search term. This all happened yesterday.


10/05/2013 05:44 pm

Have you never learned anything from real life to Never say Never? :D


10/05/2013 05:50 pm

How? He closes his eyes next to his cats and just snoozes away? Duh! :D

Kyle Eggleston

10/05/2013 06:00 pm

By all means, please prove me wrong ;)


10/05/2013 06:06 pm

Will you never die also? Come on man. Nothing lasts forever. Google is not immune to technologies or innovations that might come to fruition whether in search, tech or God knows what into the future that will challenge them. For you to claim that something is never going to happen to Google is quite honestly naive.

Sandeep Malviy

10/05/2013 06:19 pm

Thanks Colin (Y)


10/05/2013 06:37 pm

Jitendra, Fruition is a good tool and I guess Sandeep has already shared that he was just misunderstood and you can see the replies meanwhile. didn't you?

Kyle Eggleston

10/05/2013 06:44 pm

Yes, I will die because I have to. Google doesn't need to die...they are a corporation with billions and billions of dollars. Not the best analogy. I'm just being real. Google will be "immune" to competition as long as they keep reinvesting in their own technology and keep funding their R&D team. If they can't buy out their competition, they snuff them out. Google is here to stay.


10/05/2013 07:01 pm

Jitendra, Fruition is really a good tool :)

vitrum dubey

10/05/2013 07:02 pm

Jitendra, I guess Sandeep has already shared that he was just misunderstood and you can see the replies meanwhile. didn't you?

vitrum dubey

10/05/2013 07:07 pm

Colin, Fruition is really a good tool :)

Ashish Ahuja

10/05/2013 07:33 pm

the reply generally lies in overoptimised anchor text and low quality links. This is not 100% necessary but I see that in 80-90% cases of penalised sites. Some sites are also affected by onsite issues and negative seo

Ashish Ahuja

10/05/2013 07:37 pm

google also stopped giving out keyword data are you sure its only due to the udpate or partially due to google not providing keyword data

Ashish Ahuja

10/05/2013 07:39 pm

100% agree and we have posted proof of the same in our blog

Ashish Ahuja

10/05/2013 07:39 pm

any kind of link building (non link earning) is blackhat and against google tos

Collateral management

10/05/2013 09:45 pm

Our site site dropped from page 1 to page 11. This happened on 10-4-14. :(


10/05/2013 09:47 pm

Google is targeting websites that have benefited from ranks and have not spent xxx$$$ on adwords. Its corrupt and everyone knows it. The update is designed to drop you so you sign your clients up. 8 months ago they dropped one of brand domains and I lost a client. I left it and did NOTHING but sice hummingbird it bounced right back to page 1. All these algos are bullshit. We blackhated the crap out of it and its back??? If any of you seriously believe Google is interested in improving search thats then wake up! All major brands that spend $$$$$ with google are NEVER affected by the updates.

Vicki D

10/06/2013 12:34 am

Our gift store has ranked on the first page for several key words since 2010 and we do bi weekly audits. On Sept 30th all was OK although we had noticed a lot of junky sites appearing before us on the first page for almost 3 months. HOWEVER today while performing our routine audits we can confirm that we have completely lost first page positioning for all of the key words and cannot locate our store on the first 5 pages...for any of the extremely relevant key words. As a small business in a niche market this will kill us for the holidays and as a result of the constant need to depend on google and their never ending changes we have lost the little business we could drum up for the past 2 years. Our sales are down due to the constant changes and now we may very well lose any business for the holidays. In the past we have found that running google adds help to bring us back to the surface but we do not feel confident at this time and we will now need to focus all of our energy once again on getting to the bottom of this mess. Just checked Bing search results and we are were we should be for the product we offer and have not lost any ranking. Our store has very limited advertising dollars and we work hard to play fair and follow the guidelines so for this to occur once again, we are truly going to have to rethink our entire marketing campaign for the holidays and going forward. We have been monitoring our search engine results since 2009 and have seen an awful lot but this is the final straw.

Boss Hoss

10/06/2013 12:42 am

Main url wiped off the face of the planet (10/4/2013). Google now showing sub-pages, which have little page rank and therefore are on like page 10.


10/06/2013 01:48 am

I hate the Hummingbird Algorithm of Google. I hate it in brief: It conjugates everyword I look for replacing it with the most common denominator. I wondered where to meet other "Americans in Italy" and I find "How to date an Italian man" and Yahoo's Question thing's "Why do Italian men all love African women?" I also strongly suspect that it filters results and keeps histories even after opting out. So I need a new search engine. The complete version I hate this thing and it has been going on for a while. It took a long time to get rid of google instant and remove their personal history of my searches and their targeted advertisment. Understand that I translate so I CAN'T have a thousand advertisments about everything I have to translate especially when I translate consumer goods and travel location discriptions. So when I search I am logged off, in security mode and when I have to I allow cookies I disallow them immediately and clear everything. I clean my computer weekly and every couple of months I defragment he hard drive (She's from 07 but she is fast and clean! Easier to maintain than repair) That aside it could also be a principle: if your going to get paid for advertising based on studying my search habits; your going to ask me pretty please and give me something for it. Once, I looked up the word "Ticks" to find it in another language or a picture. Almost 6 months later I STILL recived ungodly amounts of 'See giant Ticks explode' as suggested videos on Youtube. It'd be good to underline that I search logged off always and never sign into anything when I need to search. That now that Snowden did what he did maybe it's understandable how it happens as I work abroad. Regardless, for years I have accepted a great, simple userfriendly email and am umbeatable free web search, as 'payment' for a creepy historic reminder of every keyword, picture or attachement I've ever recieved from any of my contacts in Gmail and antagonizing video suggestions caused by the 'research' done on my search habits. But now the hummingbird algorithm Changes what I search for because they want to try to guess what I mean? I realise that what they did they did for other kinds of people- the younger generation maybe- Call me old. But It was hard to keep google quiet and listening to me while i searched. I could have accepted even this change as I've adapted to everything they've modified in search of improvement. I could have tried to search for a way around it or to understand the way they want me to search if it hadn't been for an episode from this evening. The thing that broke the camels back is the censorship: I searched:' "I hate Hummingbird", Google" and didn't find one single result. In ALL that the internet is comprised of Hundreds of millions- Billions of pages. The armies of trolls/ Not one person in ALL the world has written 'I hate Hummingbird' near the word google or anything even simmialr? Everyone wants to talk about what a great thing it is and there is not ONE critic one troll anywhere in the Entire world? with one negative comment about it? This article is as close to negative as I've found. It's time for a new I need a search engine alternative. Any suggestions?


10/06/2013 01:53 am



10/06/2013 04:11 am

Same exact thing happen to my site. Rankings Lost on 10/4 from #1 position with main URL gone, sub-pages show up with weak rankings.


10/06/2013 12:37 pm

We went from page 1 - 2 to now I don't even know..... (On Oct 4th) I searched up to page 10 and after that, i didn't even feel the need to search any more. We have been in business since 2008 and have always ranked well. From now thru Valentines Day is our busy time and we were counting on a great year, until now. The urls that took our place are huge box stores that have billions of dollars under their belt. We are a small business that has 8-10 employees and this might put us out of business. :-( I feel so defeated.


10/06/2013 12:43 pm

Absolutely. We were replaced with big box stores. I feel so defeated.


10/06/2013 02:22 pm

You are being irrational actually. If you re-read what you just said: "Google will be "immune" to competition as long as they keep reinvesting in their own technology and keep funding their R&D team." If you have a crystal ball into the future and you are so certain than why the "if" in your statement? I rest my case.

Boss Hoss

10/06/2013 03:18 pm

For those who don't know yet, Penguin 2.1 was rolled out on 10/4/2013, which is why we got smacked.

Boss Hoss

10/06/2013 03:23 pm

Interesting to hear Mike - I figured someone would have experienced similar issues. Its possible that the page authority of the main url was demoted due to Penguin 2.1 and therefore the algo is picking other urls with relevant meta-data. FYI, I am not seeing any manual action notifications for the main url. Let's brainstorm. I had actually recovered from Penguins 1 and 2 about 90% at this point. My advice is to not do anything yet - let it shake out a little.

Kyle Eggleston

10/06/2013 04:54 pm

Now I'm being irrational, lol... If you genuinely think that you have a fighting chance against a multi-billion organization like Google, then I am worried for your sanity. Not only is Google a financial powerhouse, but a political powerhouse as well. It's not even on trial. Google has too much momentum to be to be stopped any time soon. Believe whatever fairy tale you want to believe - that is your right.


10/06/2013 08:06 pm

previously till 1st of this month few of my websites were in top 10 but now all of a sudden they shifted to 5th page,some moved to 3rd page and some are not in first 10 pages..What should i do now?


10/06/2013 08:10 pm

our website dropped from first position on google search to 2nd page :'( this happened on 5-10-2014 what should i do now? all the websites that were not even on the first page have replaced our website :'(


10/06/2013 08:14 pm

do u have any idea What is the solution for this problem...till day before yesterday everything was fine for our websites but when i checked them yesterday ,most of them were not in the search.... We are totally messed up now...all our hard work has gone in vain..We tried everything but its going down and down :( our website "http://www.hotelatithikatra.com" was on the top page for keyword "hotel in katra" but now google pushed it to 5th page...


10/06/2013 10:13 pm

my site's dub directory (wp blog) dropped from the face of the SERP's but the static pages (as well as pages in other sub directory's) in the root dir are still ranking high for the important keywords.. too bad those are low volume keywords still... my site got hit sept 4th .. I might add i have got a 301 from the root index to the blog sub dir... bad link juice flooding to the blog sub dir?


10/07/2013 02:39 am

so what is the fix?? our website went from being the FIRST on the first page on main key words to not even on the 15th page !! and I am mean GONE we are losing business big time. what is the fix?? anybody??


10/07/2013 03:26 am

My 2 websites from 1st page to 3rd and 5th pages.

Satinder Singh

10/07/2013 03:50 am

My website was on google's 1 page till Oct. 4 for many keywords but now it is not even in top 5 pages :(

NetDost Social Network

10/07/2013 05:02 am

building a business that does not depend on organic referrals from google is the only way to build a sustainable website


10/07/2013 07:01 am

my website ranked on first page for many keywords but right now they drop down and my keywords goes on 3-4 pages ..please tell me its my fault or any other reason..but ranking of my other website is raised up rapidly..

Rob Kissell

10/07/2013 12:54 pm

Ashish - I've confirmed this across several other sources and checking the SERPS themselves with tools like linkdex

CarLease UK

10/07/2013 02:22 pm

We have experienced some changes which are not helpful, typically key words for which we have had long term quality rankings have slipped. It is baffling to say the least.......


10/07/2013 04:28 pm

Are those that did not notice any drops using rich snippets or any new google features by chance? I know I had lots of sites drop by about 10-50 positions, and none are using rich snippets etc. I know of someone else who had increase that were using rich snippets and or adwords. SO TO THOSE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AFFECTED. Are you using rich snippets or adwords?

CarLease UK

10/07/2013 04:38 pm

Good point, although we do have a very active adwords account

rakesh kurakula

10/07/2013 06:05 pm

what makes big brand competitors? this may not be good to ask but I am new in bloging stuff and i have this site http://www.gameozo.com what should i do to make it a big brand please

Ashish Ahuja

10/07/2013 06:16 pm

if your traffic dropped then its hummingbird strike. We saw huge surge for brand and authority domains during this update just see if there are some issues regarding that with your site

Steel Von Richter

10/07/2013 11:58 pm

We've been in crisis mode here for the past two days trying to assess the damage. About half our sites have been hit and the other half look okay. But because there were such inconsistent results we have actually been considering the possibility that we were victims of some black hat sabotage. I've got sites that were solidly locked into top 3 positions for top keywords and now they have literally just disappeared into the ether. After having checked for malicious activity and finding none, I have come back around to the idea that it may have been Google themselves who torpedoed us. Thanks guys. I know thousands of dollars in work going up in smoke doesn't seem like much to a couple of mega-billionaires, but if you're going to keep moving the target like this you're screwing with people's livelihoods.

FATbit Technologies

10/08/2013 05:48 am

Hummingbird impact was not very much noticeable. But lot of websites lost keywords rank after penguin 2.1 update. Now this is the time when everyone needs to accept that websites should be optimized for all devices, web page loading time should be less, websites have great UX etc. Now we need to work on improving domain authority of our website rather than building links. Also needs to focus on generating traffic from other sources along with Google searches. Many thanks for having a good discussion.

Soni Sharma

10/08/2013 06:07 am

Thanx Jitendra..

Jitendra Vaswani

10/08/2013 06:08 am

do u maintain ur blog alone

Rob Kissell

10/08/2013 12:50 pm

What stinks is I used a pre-existing "partial-match" penalty as my gateway to send a reconsideration request to Google. We got this manual action a couple months ago after our first PRweb release and the notice said it only affected incoming links not our ranking as a whole.. so I figured I'd use that gateway to send the request and let them know about this site-wide apparent penalty. They responded back saying there are still spammy links pointing to us - I'm afraid I opened up a can of worms for the Hummingbird to eat my site. So - for now I'm off to attempt to gather WHOIS info on webmasters and if not - disavow some crappy blog comments from the "SEO" service of the past for my company. UGH. What irritates me is our top 2 competitors buy junk like PRweb releases and spammy Hoth blog articles on junk pages all the time and still sit #1/#2 for our main queries.


10/08/2013 03:47 pm

Do you even venture out of Facebook to read at the tech news once in a while? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-26/google-loses-bid-to-delay-u-k-trial-until-after-eu-probe.html


10/08/2013 06:14 pm

One of my customers left me 2 months ago to have his site built instead by Yell/Hibu with a new domain name, they got it top result for main search term. I deleted all content but the blank domain is still registered. After the update, the old (blank) domain now ranks above his new site! Surely google have failed?

Ashish Ahuja

10/08/2013 07:50 pm

sites can still stay up inspite of bad backlinks if they are THE brand or Authority sites in the niche

Rob Kissell

10/08/2013 08:24 pm

I know and it's really annoying. Our realm's authority sites I'm certain are manually placed but they are guilty of hoards of black hat nonsense and blatantly/rapidly produce it still.

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 07:27 am

there is nothing called manually placed, google just cannot manage that once that kind of thing starts but if you tell me your niche I can analyse and see why they are ranking and you are not

Jaishil Patel

10/09/2013 09:25 am

Youre a bit wrong here mate. Just see where Microsoft and Nokia are today. There lies your answer here. Both mega corporations. Mega money. Microsoft has done its bit to kill competition. Succeeded for a goodish bit but the end is probably near as we all know. Nokia thrived on R&D, something called android came and it never recovered.

Jaishil Patel

10/09/2013 10:10 am

a couple of my sites have higher page and domain authority than our competitors. And a couple of our competitors are ranking higher on google still. Any idea why?

Rob Kissell

10/09/2013 02:08 pm

Ashish, I work hard to compete for '------------'

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 03:28 pm

I see some of sites doing hanky panky but these sites are really old sites with quite a lot of history with google so its not easy to penalise those. Also, a couple of sites have started doing aggressive link building only in september which google would not have taken into account during this penguin update

Rob Kissell

10/09/2013 03:33 pm

Thanks for the info! From what I have seen, the one company has a very long and professional relationship with google... many links from google to them - the other is building links very fast but very shady. If I followed this same technique it would hurt us even more I'm afraid.

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 03:44 pm

all the websites on first page have age of more than 10 years and have old trust and authority with google that is why they can be aggressive and still google will not penalise them easily but they will sure ignore the aggressively built links

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 03:47 pm

pa and da are worthless when checking for site authority in google they only talk about link authority

Jaishil Patel

10/09/2013 04:15 pm

Im unable to figure out how to check link authority is there a way i can compare specifically please.

Jaishil Patel

10/09/2013 04:17 pm

Domain MozTrust 4.13 for my site. Other sites im comparing are around 1.5 - 2.5 .

Rob Kissell

10/09/2013 04:25 pm

We were ranked #1/2 for a period of 9 months, before that we were always around 4/5. we've been booted down to 14+. Our domain authority is #3 (except compared to the big box names now in the SERP) and our age is roughly 16 years.

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 05:24 pm

I was not talking about link authority but website authority which is totally different concept. Website authority is about how much google trusts a website

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 05:27 pm

its generally bad linkprofile just check it I find its the culprit in 99% of cases

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 05:29 pm

there is no easy fix you need to clean up your backlink profile and then either try to get rankings back by reconsideration or wait for next penguin refresh

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 05:30 pm

I feel you pain but most of the time its bad seo which results in this penalty

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 05:32 pm

in most of cases the problem is backlinks profile

Ashish Ahuja

10/09/2013 05:35 pm

14+ is still not bad, its just a reshuffling, better optimisation and quality content and links should get you back up


10/09/2013 08:47 pm

The Hummingbird update has been great for us! Rankings on more general terms have jumped. Its great to have validation that our tactics and approach to SEO is indeed the right way to go. Here's a blog on the update and some stats that support this: http://addion.com/blog/secret-surviving-googles-hummingbird-addion


10/10/2013 03:48 am

Hi, the top url of my site has decreased great traffic on that day(10.4) anad then lost all ranking only lefting news pages. And can you tell me how to deal with that? Thanks advanced for your kindness.


10/10/2013 03:50 am

"in most of cases the problem is backlinks profile" Can you give more info for that? Many thanks.

Ashish Ahuja

10/10/2013 07:19 am

low quality links, over optimised anchor text, link spikes, link velocity etc. etc.

Kyle Eggleston

10/11/2013 03:28 pm

Do you ever think for yourself and not just read the news? Look at the facts, use common sense and logic will lead you to the truth.


10/12/2013 02:56 am

Go to hell google ...my site in now on page 75 from being on the 2nd position ...you guys are fking up our lives here ....


10/12/2013 04:39 am

I am sorry but that is complete nonsense. I see websites on the first page with horrendous load times, spurious titles with 264 characters, ho h attribute structure, no language definition. This update is a joke, I have a site displaying results from Thai pages for English queries! The Thai section of the site is designated Thai and the English has the correct attributes. I have see pages with highly relevant URL's, titles, H attributes and very well sculpted pages with 1,900 words of highly relevant content replaced with spurious pages with irrelevant url's titles and less than 60 words of spurious content. The site has no spammy links, no paid links and is solely linked to by third party sites in the same sector or industry directories, not the spammy nonsense type but local and highly relevant. You should not make stupid and bland posts unless you have the data to back that up. When I see sites on the first page of google showing the sitemap page with a flash image overlay I read your comments about good site structure in disbelief. We have 22 sites, they all follow the same rules and only one has been hit but in a way that ridiculous pages are displaying for any search, Google messed up again.


10/12/2013 04:40 am



10/12/2013 06:00 am

Previously my website were in top 10 but now all of a sudden they shifted to 5th page. How to optimize to recovery? Please provide help anyone?


10/12/2013 09:26 am

I am hit hard :( Very hard . I wonder will my website ever recover ?? lost toppest positions to 10th page for no reason.

Amit Kumar Chaturvedi

10/12/2013 09:58 am

I had notice, but didn't know what exactly has happened.. now i got my answer..


10/12/2013 10:19 am

LMAO this is hilarious. I just had a call from a potential customer who read me part of the description of one of our ads on a 3rd party property site, I typed the query supplied by the customer and the name of of the 3rd party site " craigslist stunning condo sukhumvit 62 just look at the photos of this" Normally this would offer the listing for the corresponding ad, however post the latest update the image below was the result. Really Google, really? The Lenovo website with a Chinese title-bar was the best match you could come up with for that query? You are idiots and are ruining search. http://www.flickr.com/photos/105095504@N05/10222791706/


10/14/2013 07:46 pm

if any buddy know how can i recover my website indiaagrovision.com that almost keyword rank #1 but now that goes 20 page


10/16/2013 07:50 am

my website www.reputationsolutions4u.com was in top 3 for many keywords in google.in and google.com from more than 6 months and 2 weeks back,it got pushed down to 2nd page from some keywords and the other few keywords don't have my website in the first 10 pages.Its totally messed up and i donot know how to recover from this update..Please provide help mate


10/16/2013 07:54 am

it seems as you have to start all over again.Even my websites were hit badly ...from top 3 to 5th page on few keywords and on below 10th page for same..I tried doing a bit of seo again to see if it is still working..The position changed a bit but still its not enough.You need miracles now as even my hard work is in vain now..


10/17/2013 11:59 pm

Same thing here, right at the dates 8/25 and later in Sep. my site got hit hard. I dropped from 4.7 million visits to 3 million visits in 10 days. I run a pretty big forum and portal with thousands of articles written by authors, plus huge forum. All clean seo work, no bad links or anything google should complain about. This update is on the way to ruin my business and lots of people depend on this business. I hate to say it, but I don't think there is any hope for the one like me hit by this to recover from it. Done is done, unless google switch parts back or fix the massive shift of traffic site are going to be ruined. I can only recommend to do everything possible to not depend on google as much as I did. It is time somebody else appear in the search engine marked, google got way to powerful and they don't care anymore.

Clicksud - Lumea ta digitala

10/19/2013 07:47 pm

You are not the only...

NPA Home Improvements

10/20/2013 11:57 am

Google have totally screwed up now. Search is broken. Our rankings dropped sharply. As an experiment i wrote a one page blogpost page, didn't link to our business site, totally standalone, weak content etc. What happened? It outranked my 10 year old site about the same topic for many terms and words. Pathetic google, utterly pathetic. So what next? I either transfer 10 years or hard work to a new domain, or just publish thin 3 page blogs like my competitors are doing. Thanks for ruining my business.

Andrew Scaife

10/22/2013 03:26 pm

A search for "Wide Oak Flooring" has a blank website at the top. Brilliant Google!


10/25/2013 06:52 am

My website was on google's 1 page till Oct. 4 for many keywords but now the main keywords are not even in top 10 pages.Please tell me how can i recover my website?


10/25/2013 03:38 pm

The case is most likely that your site was ranking well for Long-tail search terms from pages that didn't carry high authority. This is the only area that Hummingbird is likely to affect. No ranking algorithms were changed and so it should not affect keyword ranking (shorter keywords or phrases). If you site was ranking for long tail keywords with relevant content from authoritative pages then you should remain unscathed. Also around the time Hummingbird was being rolled out by Google SERPS were still fluctuating from past algorithmic updates.


11/07/2013 03:08 pm

My traffic was quite high in September and early October, but it crashed drastically in mid-October, down to less than half of what my hits have averaged per the last year. My google searches do seem to have gone down a great deal. I've been obsessing about it for weeks.


11/13/2013 06:30 pm

I severely got affected in terms of traffic. But SERP is not affected! Andy clue?


11/15/2013 04:42 am

Planetcigars.com my traffic is off by 85 percent And the customers I'm getting are not buying..

Vimlesh Maurya

11/16/2013 11:37 am

My website also got the same issue. Did you get any clue?


12/19/2013 09:58 pm

My main traffic site got hammer Oct 5 2013 really bad. Since then traffic has been steadily plumiting, Alexa rank when from "so close to top 100K" to almost 200K and falling. PR went from 3 to 2. This is bad...really bad. We were also 24K in India now we are down to 55K. Site has been online for 12 years! Used to come up on page one on multiple different searches now can't get close to page one. Before Oct 5 our world ranking was steadily getting closer to that magical 100K mark, PR was climbing and then BAM! Regarding backlinks, we have no control over who decides to link back to us. Many sites that do link back have nothing to do with our website scope...they just like the site and provide a link. I see "competing" sites with similar link backs that have nothing to do with their content so it can't be that. One final note, the framework of our site has not changed in a long time and it's on "auto pilot" so to speak: IE Meta tags, Keywords, Title, Body text etc et. I don't have an answer and don't know where to even start. I downloaded the "Back links" from google and sheesh....it will take me weeks to go through and then who is to say 'what is deemed a bad back link that is hurting ranking". If it's back links hurting results...then how do we know what are "bad back links"? So frustrated....


12/19/2013 11:57 pm

My site is slowly dying a painful Google induced death. Seems everything went south when that unethical moon shot clown Larry Page took over! Look at the facts under Page: 1. Ads were resigned with bigger arrows to create many more false clicks. The huge arrows basically look like page scrolling arrows. What happened to their huge false click policy??? 2. It seems ALL updates are now designed to float the huge sites closer to the top of the search. These are the sites packed with Google ads and maps. Google honestly thinks we would not notice. My unique pages with good content are on a endless elevator ride down. I now use Bing for searches since the Google search results are now so unstable and scrambled due to the large sites floating up and the good ones down. 3. They now allow huge sites that outright steal to rank high on their searches searches. You know the sites I am talking about. These are the many new "free vector graphics" sites that are parked offshore. Google loves these sites since they make all their money with Google ads, while giving away your stolen posted artwork at the same time. I and thousands of others have written Google and asked why they are now ranking these sites that steal above the legitimate sites that don't have Google ads on them. These sites make a living selling their copyrighted artwork and photos. They are now getting stolen with the help of Google (see 4). This all started under Larry Page. 4. And don't forget the new Google image library that steals your traffic and helps give away your full sized artwork and photos. Larry Page and Google cares little about copyrighted work now and now love stealing it for their own traffic... http://www.sdakotabirds.com/feathers_and_folly/?p=1834 5. The worthless disavow list that is designed to appease angry none SEO people who's traffic is falling off a cliff. From what I have read, this tool is basically a red herring, designed to keep people busy while their traffic tanks. They basically put it out there to say you can bring your traffic back. They did this to avoid class action lawsuits with all the businesses they destroyed, so they could rank the large ad laden sites on top while laughing at idiots using this placebo tool. I hope Larry Page and all these other greedy bastards end up in prison for basically rigging the search results so their stock and profits go through the roof. Obama did not go after the oil companies for gouging us yearly under Bush and spilling billions in oil, so why should Google run their business ethically. Maybe Hillary will break-up this crooked company and go after the management?


12/20/2013 12:07 am

It seems new domain names are doing very well just by themselves. It might be a good idea for some to start new domains and move some of their business to them when and if they start ranking well.


12/20/2013 12:14 am

Yes, age of site should still be a HUGE ranking factor, and Google has thrown this out the window. At the same time they are now ranking the sites that steal images and graphics at the very top. WTF! You know these offshore sites. They are the "Free Vector Art and Graphic" sites that are LOADED with stolen graphics. And Google knows what sites I am talking about, since they get take down requests in their India offices daily for stolen artwork. Shame on Google and Larry Page!


12/30/2013 01:35 am

glad it worked for you Lauren- enjoy it until the next update when suddenly your approach is no longer deemed acceptable to google


12/30/2013 05:00 pm

Bitter, much? This is why I rarely visit SEO communities anymore - everyone's complaining about Google, what happened to the old days when the challenge of figuring out how to game the system was part of the fun? These days people whine when old techniques don't work anymore. That's the nature of SEO - it's a constantly changing game. I'm with you Lauren, my sites are doing great - and if one day they don't, I look forward to solving that challenge. Of course, I am not putting all my eggs in one basket - I've worked hard to get a growing social media following, and focused on word-of-mouth offline marketing too. As always, users are the most important to focus on. I don't mean to sound pompous - I realise that my sites could plummet any time too. But I just don't get the upproar - it's the nature of SEO and if you can't handle it then perhaps you shouldn't be doing it. My first successful site plummeted completely after the first Penguin update. i was gutted, but I used it as motivation to build better sites.


12/30/2013 05:02 pm

Oh, and also - why not thank Lauren for sharing her tips and let this lead to a discussion of how to best navigate the Hummingbird waters? Pretty defeatist to just try to shut her down like that.

Ben stephen

01/11/2014 05:26 am

I want to know one thing ..actually i my website has placed in google first page at 5th position.. when i checked my keyword position using google keyword checker it showing that my website have placed in google 2nd page .. what is this .. what is the hell it is .. anyone please help me


02/13/2014 03:09 pm

In otherwords you don't trust him as his words are play and chicanery? The word of Google is tainted. The warning I have for you is any SME reliant on SEO is doomed.


02/13/2014 03:10 pm

A word of warning, any SME reliant principally on SEO is doomed to fail because of Google's chicanery.

Seema Bhati

02/24/2014 09:02 am

I lost 90% traffic on http://www.indianstoneinc.com


02/26/2014 11:45 pm

Our website lost rankings dramatically over the last couple of months. There was no change in website in terms of SEO. Google is getting complicated every day and I would like to see other search engines break google's monopoly.


03/07/2014 09:56 am

I've gone from a front page ranking with my rugby related site to only 6 pages from the entire site being indexed. Site has been up and running and getting more and more popular and further up the rankings since 2007. We have some embedded link advertising but all contextual and only on individual pages and even then very occasionally. I'm baffled as I've done nothing different to what I've done in the last seven years and now Google has effectively booted us off their search.

Jitendra Vaswani

03/12/2014 05:09 am

SEO is not doomed but it is more of skilled process.


03/12/2014 03:21 pm

If you bothered to read these threads properly you'd see that we never said SEO is doomed - we said any 'SME reliant on' SEO is doomed to fail. Still true.


03/12/2014 03:28 pm

Great point Karin - I'm with you. We've been saying the same things for months about looking at what you doing very carefully and not putting all the eggs in one basket.


05/27/2014 12:32 am

google are just another website and gets power because we the people allow it to, (just like the laws and governments) i actually get a lot of my traffic from other sources than google and i have to say "rank 1 , 2 or 3 has never bought me as much traffic as other social places have. just to add, i am an seo expert for 12 years now who charges £1000 per month for seo also i have seen all the changes since 2001, the only search engine that requires seo is google, people wake up and see the bigger picture, get away from that one set frame of mind that "google is everything" , its really not and i would be happy to share my experiences. thanx for taking the time Jimmy Sandhu Seo Master Systems


05/27/2014 12:36 am

also just to keep to the subject here, we rank differently when logged in to google, logged out of gmail, uk, usa, .com, its always different, trust me just log out of your gmail account and use the search engine and u will see. Also Humming bird was made for the human language which meant win win for most, for example if i was searching "cheap seo" and affordable seo and "best price seo" one of my sites will show number one for all. ps ..... please read my previous post people seo master systems


05/27/2014 12:37 am

no its not, seo has become easier than ever


05/27/2014 12:52 am

heres a quick fix if you want some or most of your keywords back FIRST SORT OUT YOURON PAGE CONTENT TO HAVE AS MANY KEYOWRDS AS POSSIBLE (only once will do) 1) get a tool that shortens urls 2) make short versions of your main url...example http://www.mysite.com http://www.mysite.com/ http://mysite.com ( remember to keep the http and u should have at least 4 shortened urls) 3) now use all 4 urls of your site on the shortening tool and try to get atleast 60-80 shortened versions 4) submit these urls to some one who will supply u with at least 1000 DOFOLLOW BLOG COMMENTS AND EXCEPTS UNLIMITED URLS 5) submit all the keywords u wish to rank for again, submit to the same person who is doing the dofollow blog comments 6) sit back for 2weeks and watch your site rank for keywords you never dreamt about 7) the science behind this is too long to explain but its to do with social signals, i am sure u seo guys will pick it up i am an seo expert for 12 years as said in my bio on other posts on this page and if anyone requires more help just hook my up at justmyseo@gmail.com

Alex Athanasiou

06/06/2014 05:05 am

very interesting point of view and probably the correct one

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