Google Penguin After-Dance Going On Now?

Oct 16, 2013 • 9:15 am | comments (126) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates

Penguin DanceThere is some very early chatter at WebmasterWorld of reports that another Google shakeup is going on right now.

Webmasters are questioning if it is an update to Penguin 2.1 or if it is something else.

Yesterday morning, one SEO wrote:

Can't see any change in our SERP's but something deffo hit us again today sad

This was followed up with several, "me too" types of posts including:

Weirdness. One of my sites got a boost after the Penguin update on the 4th. Another had a big search surge yesterday but a huge decline this morning.

It is hard to say what is going on right now, but if you saw a change in Google traffic yesterday, let us know and based on the comments, I may ask Google for a comment.

None of the tracking tools show a change yet. But there are indeed many individual complaints in the Google forums as well.

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld.

Image credit to MariaMarcuu

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10/16/2013 01:37 pm

I'm seeing constant 'dances' for one of my websites... from Page1, to Page2..and back.


10/16/2013 01:45 pm

14th Oct till now see dansing for three of websites


10/16/2013 01:58 pm

Unnatural links to your site—impacts links message disappeared from one of my sites yesterday afternoon (GMT+1 time) without any disavow or action and some dances also in two sites.


10/16/2013 01:59 pm

Seeing this 2 but in truth the SERPS seem to be in a constant state of flux for months now, I think they will stay in flux from now on, 2 many cooks in the kitchen at google HQ


10/16/2013 03:01 pm

I had big losses (about 30+%) on the Sept 4th Hummingbird update, but have had a noticeable increase the last few days. Hard to say how much with Columbus day skewing the results, but today is still looking a good bit up from last week. Saw maybe a 20+% increase yesterday, but today should give a more accurate picture of how much I'm up. Had two other large sites that were affected as well, and have shown improvement also. I haven't done any big changes since the 4th, as I knew it wasn't a penalty. The Hummingbird announcement just verified that. Funny thing is, I saw a huge loss in the keywords for which we have the best information of all our competitors in, and a large increase in keywords for things we have listed, but are in no way capable of fulfilling. Whatever changes were done at that time were dumb, and I'm guessing Google will eventually be repairing the damage during October and November.


10/16/2013 03:05 pm

The message about the impact??


10/16/2013 03:30 pm

I saw a huge drop...but it looks more like an Analytics issue because direct traffic dropped too. Just now, it looks like my 9:00AM EDT stats updated. Could be Analytics had a hiccup.


10/16/2013 03:32 pm

Traffic increase by 50% compared to yesterday + Subtle SERP changes. Will wait and see..... By the way Barry you should make a poll about this, will be interesting seeing the overall stats on this.

Adam Zahler

10/16/2013 03:37 pm

Hmmm, seeing some dancing going on but I'm not getting excited. It's been a mixture of rankings going up and down but nothing dramatic as yet. Now I've said that I'll probably get a client calling me in the next 10 minutes to talk about a ranking change - hopefully it will be from a client who has seen an improvement ;-D


10/16/2013 03:50 pm

Saw the same. Heart skipped a few beats, but everything appears good now.


10/16/2013 03:54 pm

"on the Sept 4th Hummingbird update" How do you know it was update related to Hummingbird ? Did you get confirmation from Google ? Do you have any reliable proof to tie update on Sept 4th with Hummingbird ?


10/16/2013 03:58 pm

The cause of low traffic to the sites come on vacation of the year for Muslims. Eid al-Adha, "Festival pilgrimage." A lot of sites affected my sit also


10/16/2013 04:08 pm

Everything seems to be updated now. *insert giant sigh of relief* :-)


10/16/2013 04:19 pm

Google refused to comment on it, but there were multiple dates leading up to the announcement that showed the same pattern. Three of my big websites on two different accounts were affected in the same exact way, but on different dates. Most likely a roll out of the new engine. The sites have never been affected by Penguin or Panda before, and are completely white hat. Two days before they were affected, they saw a large change in craw stats. They did not loose ranks, they lost search queries. Some of the loss in search queries were for ludicrous things like the domain name and such. Like I said earlier, it wasn't a complete loss across all keywords which I would think would happen in a penalty, but a change in the keywords google was sending me. Likely google trying to be smarter, but failing miserably in my case. If all that doesn't point to an engine update, and not a penalty, then I'm not sure what does.


10/16/2013 04:38 pm

Recovered somewhat.


10/16/2013 05:09 pm

Unfortunately no impact so far. No ups no downs. Spanish site.

SEO Expert - Rahul Trivedi

10/16/2013 05:48 pm

I am seeing some recovery in my keywords for my clients.


10/16/2013 06:03 pm

Still off of page one for EVERY keyword. Before 2.1, we were on page one for these keywords

SEO Expert - Rahul Trivedi

10/16/2013 06:05 pm

are you still struggling?


10/16/2013 06:10 pm

All that doesn't point to an engine update. For example Google could change the ratio of desktop to mobile traffic it sends to you. You do know, that Google changes this ration from time to time, don't you ? And you do know, that mobile traffic can produce very mixed signals in your stats, don't you ? This is just one example among tens others. Furthermore, according to this phrase "Some of the loss in search queries were for ludicrous things like the domain name and such" I assume you manage very limited amount of traffic, if you have ability to track search queries separately. Anyway, your story doesn't prove (even slightly), that changes in SERP on Sep 4 were related to Hummingbird.


10/16/2013 06:31 pm

OMG ... Is this the website from your example : ??? Excuse me, but your traffic is absolutely vulnerable, because the content you provide, is not unique. You simply have no content. Your traffic can be blown out the other day like a sand without any obvious reason. Just because of content ... or lack of it. You can't do any observations based on such vulnerable traffic. They are just misleading.

Craig Hamilton-Parker

10/16/2013 07:23 pm

I've seen an improvement for my most important sales keyword positions which were not ranked for ages. Snag is the page that is ranking is not the front page or a relevant page so no improvement is sales. Very confusing and frustrating. If it wasnt for the cheery animated gifs I'd be in the nut house by now.


10/16/2013 07:47 pm

Take it easy buddy. I promise I've done my homework, and I'm just offering what I've found. On that site alone we get 20-30k visitors a day now, and 50k visitors a day before the drop. So my sample size isn't THAT small. Sure it could be another change, but it's hard to explain the ripple in the google crawler ms crawl speed, which was felt by others who were hit. True we get a vast amount of keywords, but it isn't hard to go through the analytics and look at patterns amongst them during the change. Add to that the no comments from google leading up to a final big announcement stating there was a huge rewrite that rolled out around the same time as the hits. I don't believe much in coincidence, and to think that a massive rewrite would have 0 effect on any site seems silly. The changes hardly registered for most, and I just got the short end of the stick on the hummingbird update. I'm not happy about it, but I think google will repair the problems, and hopefully this week's increase in visitors is just that.


10/16/2013 07:50 pm

As for the quality of our data, there isn't a single competitor that has more content than we do. It may look thin on the surface, but you have to think in terms of how does one site's content compare to the others it competes against. If we were competing with blogs then sure, but nobody wants to read a blog to find out a phone number or some hours. Where as our competitors will only supply a phone number and address though; we will supply phone, address, hours for every single service, map, nearby locations, services offered, reviews, application processes, what to bring, etc. Even USPS's site is quite terrible in this regard, often less updated than ours, and has harder to find content that users are searching for. Still, if they do better than us, then I have zero qualms with that. Instead though, we stopped showing up in very random queries that we provide the best content for, saw huge increases in queries that we shouldn't show up for, and both our site and USPS's are suddenly no where to be found. All the while, sites like and take top spots. If you think that sounds right, then maybe I'm wrong, but this is the way I currently see it. I've seen the same across all of my sites though, and I work extremely hard to make sure my sites are the most helpful, most up to date, and best resource for whatever niche I'm targeting. My visitors have always been appreciative of that, and on that site specifically we get postmasters emailing us updates that USPS has failed to change for years. I saw a need for a better site, and fulfilled that need.

Ashish Ahuja

10/16/2013 08:44 pm

looks like penguin softening see some bouncing for sites that increased in ranking during penguin update


10/16/2013 09:07 pm

Well, good story. But tell it to Google, not me ) Thousands of such stories are posted after every update. Your traffic is very very very vulnerable, no matter what we both think about this website. It means, that even tiny turn by Google can change your stats drastically. It means there is absolutely no reason to tie changes in stats you saw on Sep 4 with Hummingbird. That's it )

Donna Fontenot

10/16/2013 10:14 pm

Same here.

Jan Dunlop

10/17/2013 01:50 am

Seeing a small uptick here, but traffic has been quite choppy since the penguin 2.1 update.


10/17/2013 04:43 am

Let me guess.. "I can help you!"

Aviansh R

10/17/2013 05:16 am

Barry - play some dancing song with the image

Amit Kumar

10/17/2013 05:30 am

Ranking Dance still going on....


10/17/2013 05:48 am

We didn't get any unnatural link message in GWT, but traffic drop (35%) noticed from Oct 4th and yesterday too. However, we disavowed few unrelated harmful backlinks in Sep 1st week. But, still traffic is decreasing... What should we do now?

Soni Sharma

10/17/2013 05:51 am

There is strong ranking fluctuations everyday.. I am noticing it after penguin 2.1 update..


10/17/2013 05:54 am

Google is making life miserable for online businesses those rely on Search Traffic. The ranking fluctuate with a refresh of search results, new sites pop up and old sites got vanished every day.

SEO Expert - Rahul Trivedi

10/17/2013 06:01 am

what are you trying to say?

Creatine Marketing

10/17/2013 06:09 am

Yes same here, our ranking too fluctuations everyday after penguin 2.1 update..


10/17/2013 07:15 am

Had a new client with an automated warning..... No the Webmaster Tools say Manual Actions- "Partial Matches" :(

Yogita Aggarwal

10/17/2013 08:11 am

I observed some traffic loss :(


10/17/2013 08:46 am

Had a new client with an automated warning..... Now the Webmaster Tools say Manual Actions- "Partial Matches" :(

Small Business SEO

10/17/2013 09:12 am

Glad to know about the Google Update On Penguin, thanks for the information...

Pete McAllister

10/17/2013 09:30 am

Almost 100% drop in search traffic in the morning but had returned to normal levels the next day. Seemed to be some sort of short term Google dance as they majorly readjusted something...

Sourabh Rana

10/17/2013 09:48 am

Very good traffic increased after hummingbird update but dropped after mugshot update. No change google organic traffic in penguin 2.1 but after mugshot update it is update. Asked in google product forum they are saying traffic lost due to penguine 2.1 not from mugshot ,, Is this possible traffic loss after 10days of penguin 2.1 & when its launched no fall in traffic. What is this going in google algorithm !!!!!!!!!!

tall SEO Expert

10/17/2013 11:00 am

my site got up yesterday............... it was drop in penguine update

Pradeep Kumar

10/17/2013 11:26 am

my all keywords ranking drop by penguin 2.1 updates and not seeing any improvement till now..


10/17/2013 11:44 am

true, i feel the same way, many of my keywords are constantly changing between 1-10 without doing anything


10/17/2013 11:48 am

Can I sell you a Google UpdatesHeartAttack insurance?


10/17/2013 12:07 pm

I would expect nothing less from an SEO expert.

Jitendra Vaswani

10/17/2013 12:54 pm

congo sourabh

Jitendra Vaswani

10/17/2013 12:54 pm

ohhh yogita me too :(

Jitendra Vaswani

10/17/2013 12:55 pm

me 2 noticing


10/17/2013 01:07 pm

yes there is strong ranking fluctuations.

Richard Boss

10/17/2013 01:21 pm

My website ranking fluction is going on. Hope tomorrow morning, I will get good news.


10/17/2013 01:41 pm

traffic and ranking drop on site - on 12 October, but not when penguin 2.1 is announced. is there was any update on this date.


10/17/2013 02:07 pm

no changes for me. But I noticed that the number of returning visitors increased during the last two days. I don´t know if it is a good or bad sign.


10/17/2013 03:26 pm

Sighhhh GOOGLE,,,,, well I'll tell ya what... If you dont like what Google changes bring you, don't worry about it too much, just wait a short bit... it will change again... just like the weather.


10/17/2013 04:47 pm

Changes? This happened with me after 2 days of update. From update day to now my traffic doubled, but compare to my previous traffic it is only 5%. Good thing is my traffic is increasing, slowly but steadily and my new articles also ranking well, not on first page but its ok till now.

Google Search Is Rigged

10/17/2013 06:04 pm

Barry, when are you going to wake the fuck up and realize or admit that Google is killing non-paid traffic update by update????? What more evidence do you need?? Google Search Is rigged to increase clicks on ads and to force sites to advertise.


10/17/2013 06:19 pm

Google is a company and provides a service. As with any service or product in our lives, if customers start having less demand for a specific service or product the company ends up losing money, authority and pretty much end having a grim outlook in general (in some cases fail completely). The way they are conducting business, its all a matter of time.


10/17/2013 06:43 pm

The amount of "noise" in SERPs that the guys at Moz are reporting is still very much above the normal average. I've noticed changes well above the normal quantity across the 4 niches I am in day after day. Sites appearing for a day or two then vanishing. Ongoing. Some are just complete garbage. UK searches producing Portugese results, contact pages of sites entirely irrelevant to the search term. Who wants a "contact" page when they are searching for a product anyway? Google seems to think we do. Empty Facebook pages, individual and mostly irrelevant (again) tweets. Individual tweets for goodness sake! Some very strange sites that - try as you might - seem to bear no relevance to the topic no matter how obtuse you force your mind into considering the possibilities. It has occurred to me in passing that Google has just messed up - someone somewhere put a decimal point in the wrong place and the knock on effect has been huge. I'd love to get all "conspiracy" on you, but I don't see highly monetized (adsense) results for these moderate commercial terms.. just a load of junk - much of which changes every 48 hours or so. I was targeted by a neg SEO attack (still ongoing) and the spam the neg SEO guy put out - badly written garbage - is ranking page 1 for the term for days on end. Outranked by your own negative SEO attack spam while I spend hours struggling to get a link disavow list together while watching the ping-backs on my admin area pile up at a rate of 100's an hour as whoever it is keeps posting more rubbish with my links in. That's adding insult to injury. It'd be funny if it wasn't so crap

Google Search Is Rigged

10/17/2013 06:51 pm

Results are bad because Google wants users to click on ads, Google is desperate to increase ad clicks. The algo that generates most ad clicks is chosen in A/B tests and taken live./ If results make no sense, check the ads, they are perfect. Google wants it this way.


10/17/2013 07:07 pm

I think that's the way it may settle in the end. So many changes at the moment though. My sites (all 8 in 4 niches. 3 of them over 16 years old and tens of thousands of hand written articles on them dating back to the late 90's) bounce around many times a day for many of the keywords. Wake up they are 9, have coffee they are 11. Go for a walk they are 6. Do some work they are 9 again - and "strangers" keep[ popping into the top 20 results that I check. Really odd sites that I just can't understand. Why would anyone want a "Geology today" result for "car hire Dresden". I really have no idea what all this garbage is. No wonder Bing have that advert running and people are picking their search results over Google's - Google's are really very poor indeed for users at the moment.

Scam Cutts

10/17/2013 08:12 pm

"Aggregate paid clicks, which include clicks related to ads served on Google sites and the sites of our Network members, increased approximately 26% over the third quarter of 2012 and increased approximately 8% over the second quarter of 2013" This is what this is about, increasing paid clicks On Google.scam properties. "Google-owned sites generated segmentrevenues of $9.39 billion, or 68% of total Google segment revenues, in the third quarter of 2013. This represents a 22% increase over third quarter 2012 Google sites segment revenues of $7.73 billion. Google Network Revenues – Google’s partner sites generated segment revenues of $3.15 billion, or 23% of total Google segment revenues, in the third quarter of 2013, compared to $3.13 billion of Google network segment revenues in the third quarter of 2012." See the difference, Google grew by 22%, adsense sites stayed flat .


10/17/2013 08:34 pm

I am still amazed you lot have not realised what Google is doing. Random-ish search updates with no logic SEO companies can determine. Scares everyone one into whiter than white SEO - just what Google wants. Isnt it obvious ???


10/17/2013 08:47 pm

Not going to say that isn't part of it but... Only if Google is far more concerned about SEO professionals (a fraction of a fraction of a percent of Google users) than the people who actually USE Google to search for stuff. Long term, hell even medium term, providing such crap results will drive people away, and no matter how Google monetize, it still boils down to traffic. So scaring a few thousand SEO guys while risking a couple of billion regular users (their actual customers) getting sick of being force fed crap for results? If they are doing it - it won't be for long - and if it is, they'll be out of business. You can't mess all of the people around all of the time. But I give you that - it seems incredibly random at the moment. Just found one of my sites in the last two hours at number 2 (never been that high before) UK search produces results in 3 different languages other than English on page one. Sorry but that's just crap results. English search term (not generic national term - English words not used in other lanfuages are the search term) resaults in Portugese, Urdu and German results on page one WTF!!!!!

Pittsburgh SEO

10/17/2013 08:50 pm

Good point LLBDub. I can't tell you the number of times I've evaluated a client's top competitors, only to discover that they are doing 90% of what Google says NOT to do on their website. Yet they rank 1, 2 and 3. I've learned to just laugh about it.

Steve Jobs

10/18/2013 12:45 am

scritty I give you a rep--- woops no more reps to give out.........

Natural Born Linkers

10/18/2013 12:47 am

Google went self aware like skynet with hummingbird,, only the algo is fighting back with relevant results,,,the "staff" at mountain view are fighting hard to tweek it...

Long Duck Dong

10/18/2013 12:49 am

This is from the big sape wipout,,, millions of sape links got linked to every site,,should be rocky for next 60 days,,


10/18/2013 01:00 am

Cheaper to have Matt Cutts babble something and the SEO's run and yell the sky is falling than to actually make the change to algorithm that gives a better result.


10/18/2013 04:29 am

Is the number of traffic to a site supposed to be static? By how much does the number of traffic have to change for Webmasters to get into a panic of possible Google's punitive action on their sites?

Jitendra Vaswani

10/18/2013 05:24 am

Gooogle will keep on changing it never remains constant

Jitendra Vaswani

10/18/2013 05:24 am

All webmasters facing same :(

Stuart David

10/18/2013 06:56 am

Why does he need to give evidence? His simply reporting on what he see's/hear's in his position, his not providing a judge/jury service, neither has he ever made claims to warrant your attack. Just back up, these kind of comments aren't welcome, stupid attacks like this will turn him off wanting to report for the community, so get it straight, his not here to judge/jurt/admit or pass judgement. Just his opinion from his worked position, so LEAVE OFF.

Sourabh Rana

10/18/2013 07:03 am

but it is decreased after mugshot & my site is not a mugshot ..

osman musa

10/18/2013 07:21 am

With all these confusing updates I don't know what SEO is anymore. I just let it be now.


10/18/2013 07:56 am

Lol "no idea what you are on about". Rep was being abused so I'm glad they ended it. Thanks for the comment +31 rep for you Jobsy

Mohamad Fahmi

10/18/2013 08:06 am

Haha penguin gif so Cute,, is update again?

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 08:08 am

I see many of our websites coming back on 16th OCT so for yes some stirring going on.

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 08:10 am

SEO is about getting your website sorted in google, an experienced SEO will be able to solve these updates with ease but yes with time.

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 08:11 am

Yes Seen the same pattern for many websites we are monitoring

Jitendra Vaswani

10/18/2013 08:39 am

Everybody is facing traffic chop

Jitendra Vaswani

10/18/2013 08:39 am

My bounce rate is high Ashish

Jitendra Vaswani

10/18/2013 08:40 am

Hey Rahul what techniques u r using ?

SEO Expert - Rahul Trivedi

10/18/2013 08:57 am

Make your domain clean and creamy with content.

Stuart David

10/18/2013 09:40 am

I think there is going to be a big update today, lots of strange activity going on with indexing on lots of different sites, same sort of signs you see before every update with the pause of index pushing. Expecting something big anyway.


10/18/2013 11:07 am

Yeah, right...with ease!

Ashish Ahuja

10/18/2013 11:42 am

lol I was talking about bouncing around in rankings


10/18/2013 12:13 pm

Just to be fair: Those couple billion regular, not obsessed with the SEO space, users aren't customers of Google. They are the product that they offer up to people like me who want to throw ads at a near-guaranteed audience who is looking for exactly what I am selling. Organic results were starting to drive me nuts with the seemingly everyday shuffle on page one. There has been some frustrating up three spots organically one day, down five spots another, up six spots, down one spot, etc... But as the number of keywords I am worried about increases, I am interested in overall movement of the group and then worrying about a few that give me actual trouble (or potentially bring people who are interested in buying our 'pay the bills' products. This up-and-down for our niche has led me to stop worrying so much about someone mysteriously grabbing the first ranking, or the first few rankings...they usually go away a week or two later for other, equally mysterious reasons. I used to obsessively check what they were doing, but it was always black hat, and since I have no desire to go that route, I just watch them slip into page 3+ obscurity and go about my day. I understand that my niche is very specialized and for others attempting to hit large masses of users, this dance can be very frustrating and potentially crippling for a new site trying to establish itself. The internet is becoming more and more like the brick and mortar game in some ways...large, very wealthy, very aggressive players tend to nudge out the vast majority of the little sucks, but it is the reality of the "internet for everyone". Don't some of us spend at least one afternoon a week wishing it was still 'uncool' to be online? When seeing a companies e-mail address in their television ads was novel...sigh.


10/18/2013 03:04 pm

Just In,Check link out Surprisingly with all the updates taking place the past few months whether it is Ghost 2.0, Hummingbird, Penguin 2.1. This is proof of the bottom line of things.


10/18/2013 03:14 pm

''Google said that paid-for clicks increased by a quarter during the July-to-September period, from a year earlier, the highest rate of growth in the past year.'' Off course when you have pretty much hit every site out there one way or another. Messed up organic search results. You are left with ad words in order to stay afloat as a business.


10/18/2013 03:22 pm

I know our website has not had an affect with the hummingbird update as we where still coming top on most of the listings, but when the penguin update came out our website started to do the google dance, constantly up and down - my friends website got took off completely. I was looking into the disavowing of links and found loads of spammy websites linking to ours, but now scared to disavow them as they where fine being there before the update and what if I delete one and it has am major effect on my website. Also, what if google is doing another update - should i just wait till it all calms down before doing anything to my website? Come on google, this is rediculous... there are really rubbishy websites appearing above ours which has had hours and hours spent on it, inserting good quality content and SEO... and their website look like they have been thrown together over night..

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 04:24 pm

Have you seen this for one website or many ?

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 04:25 pm

Rachel, I would not recommend you to do disavow links if you dont know SEO. You should hire some SEO link valuing company and create a list of links to be disavowed. More over dont Disavow links for a site do it on a per link basis.

Stuart David

10/18/2013 04:31 pm

Tons, like, beyond our own scope as well, even if you look at any majors, some serious index delays etc if you filter to 1 hour/24 hours etc

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 04:37 pm

But very strange, i am not seeing this for across 500-700 websites we are managing.

Stuart David

10/18/2013 04:42 pm

Cant post links here as auths my messages but I see it based on 24 hour query searches within the image search, check it for majors sites, 44 results, 100 results, check facebook for example

Stuart David

10/18/2013 04:43 pm

Example of what i am talking about ...

Vibhu Gauba

10/18/2013 06:04 pm

Yeah. indexing seems very slow.. but so far no movements in our clients so i think we are all GOOD.


10/18/2013 07:06 pm

agree with you 100%. google serp is total crap now. It just not usable and mostly it return random high authority (same top sites, but without required information - very very broad match) or crappy results (one page emds, 10 years old yahoo answers & forum posts, gov sites with no information, spammed youtube videos, etc). In fighting for "spammers" google destroying small/middle class of webmasters.


10/18/2013 07:09 pm

they destroying the web because of money. why anti-monopoly department not look in it??? because they sponsor obama company?


10/18/2013 07:14 pm

crappy google update version 3.0 coming soon. -webmasters, +Gadwords. New update turtle Tortilla coming soon, organic serp top10 auction (google has said they not evil, it tell us also what never will be sell places in organic serp. But we know what it lie again, and it will be soon).


10/18/2013 07:18 pm

google is very smart. If they tell you contact page when you looking for new iphone, it mean what they know something secret about you and implemented it in their AI algorithms. What about english/portugese, when you was at toilet, google spyware glasses & watches has quickly analyzed your DNA and transmitted that private data to google global spyware center. So now google know what somebody from your relatives was been spanish and make you to learn speaking in spanish. So it all is just incredible smart AI, with insane doctors who programming it. :)


10/18/2013 07:33 pm

google testing how deep they can destroy their serp. border limits. Nothing new, it great way down for them. Adapt to bing!

Jitendra Vaswani

10/19/2013 05:54 am

Yes content is king for sure , creamy content is always loved by google

Jitendra Vaswani

10/19/2013 05:55 am

Lol Ashish I am asking how to decrease bounce rate :(

Ashish Ahuja

10/19/2013 07:51 am

there are various ways to decrease bounce rate but the best is to see which pages are generating high bounce rate in analytics and provide more links to other resource on that page so people click thru


10/19/2013 12:42 pm

Today I checked and so many deleted (i.e "This question has been deleted") Yahoo answer pages. Why are Google promoting Yahoo answer pages that in some cases were deleted several weeks ago. They weren't ranking 2 weeks ago when they had content on them, so why rank them now weeks after the content has been deleted? That's about as dead as dead gets. The media equivalent of dead air on radio or the "test card" displaying for 30 minutes due to a tech fault on prime time TV on a channel where ratings and ad revenue are vital. What is the point of the current serps results? Who are they for? Before you say "adsense" I'm finding virtually zero sites with adsense on them in the 400+ words I check for daily. Just crap. And I'm trying really hard to be objective here. Big niches have sites that focus on a real minority aspect of the niche ranking. I.e "Dog training" has too many sites focussing on one specific method, breed or compettion that 99.999% of people searching that term would have no interest in what so ever. "Broad niche needs broad results". Oi Google. Surely it's not that frikking hard to grasp this simple concept! Likewise minority niches "Samoyed grooming" has a page of of content that is either completely not related to Samoyeds at all - or if it does have them has nothing to do with grooming.. At the expense of repeating myself... "Narrow niche needs narrow results". Oi Google. Surely it's not that frikking hard to grasp this simple concept! Clearly it is. And what no niche needs is a ton of irrelevant pages, indivdual tweets, empty facebook pages, contact pages for irrelevant sites, foreign language results and 12 year old out of date spam. So many foreign language results for absolute English search terms. Seriously. WTF is going on! Google's results just seem complete garbage.


10/19/2013 03:42 pm

google it dead as search engine now, soon they will out of this business - thanks to their "antispam spammers team". Really all "organic" results they show now is unnatural (only authority, one topic based, without anything interesting or new, just algorithm processed texts which 90% similar). Only high authority spammy sites, no any real sites from medium/small business (where usually good information). Let wish to google easy death in search business and start adapt to bing. I think google as search engine not have future anymore, it commercial, overoptimized, greedy, not for humans, and totally ads-driven search engine.


10/19/2013 04:04 pm

also they "fighting with spammers", but how big G not understand what spammers already win and google now just destroying own search engine???


10/19/2013 04:13 pm

Google shold look up the term "Phyrric Victory"... removed some spammers.. Destroyed their own index in the process. PIllocks


10/19/2013 04:33 pm

according to latest seoroundtable poll, 90% of webmasters not trust google. Google only want to be evil for 100% (not less)! So, they working hard to destroy own search engine in most insane way and to lost all trust. Hope soon we will see results of such "phyrric victories" in the media and in the alexa top sites ranking.


10/20/2013 01:59 pm

Bad news. If you have been building websites for years with footer text links, I think your affected! This ones a tough call for search marketing...


10/20/2013 02:04 pm

love that article link #nick. What a surprise!!

Vibhu Gauba

10/20/2013 02:10 pm

Yes google has always been penalizing websites with footer links that are not NO Follow. Make the footer links NO-FOLLOW

Seo Marketer

10/21/2013 04:09 am

I can see this with dailymotion too. A video deleted from 2 weeks is stil in the firt page of google.:|


10/21/2013 07:11 am

since my keywords were not got its ranking before the update my keywords are in second page after the updation of google my keywords goes back.... it's too sad result for me. in what way i have to bring my keyword ranking up???

Pabi Lagariya

10/21/2013 08:41 am

my all keywords going down after new updates, before the google updates keywords on 1 page and 2nd page, now its goes to the down 3rd and 4th page, i need my original result and traffic, but i cant think what should be do for that, anyone have a idea please share with me.


10/21/2013 01:13 pm

I do know a bit of SEO as have a computer science degree which covered some website stuff. I have re-searched this no end to and spoken to website advisers etc. After fixing all of the problems in our website such as soft 404 and unfound pages, its still going to result in the same outcome without disavowing the bad links. I will take your advice on doing it one by one, but how will i know google has disavowed the link and how long does it take?

Zenfly Media

10/21/2013 06:40 pm

What do you mean? footer links that link to external links with NO FOLLOW?

Vibhu Gauba

10/22/2013 02:01 pm

Yes, If you have 10-20 website and you want them to link together in the footer. MAKE SURE they are NO FOLLOW


10/22/2013 05:06 pm

i agree with you, Google has updated its algo because from the past 4 days i am seeing a big traffic change in my blogs ...


10/24/2013 04:41 am

That was well said Scritty!!

Martin McGarry

10/24/2013 08:39 pm

A far cry from backrub! Google has gone too far.... they're trying to limit our opportunites far beyond the objectives of backrub, which was essentially calculating how popular a site was by the number of inbound backlinks 'in a nutshell' - which allowed people to generally communicate how good a site was, by posting about it in a discussion and directing you to it with hyperlink or a backlink. Now according to various sources including Matt-C we're not aloud to boast about our websites on any other genre of site... we can only do this on sites in the same industry. If i'm in a sports forum talking about sports and somebody asks what I do... am I allowed to mention my photography website in there... or does that count as a spammy backlink in an irrelevant forum? Obviously that's one element of the new update and it goes deeper... truth is PPC money talks, no further comment required!

selena marquez

10/26/2013 08:32 am

Hello everyone...i have a site of android apps daily visitors were around 50k n were increasing day by day...every aftr two days traffic got increased or decreased...n today there is huge drop in trafic (40%)..i didnt do any blackhat seo..but if u ppl know whether my traffic goes down because of penguin update or its just dancing...?


10/28/2013 02:54 pm

hi, We used to be on page one on Google and now are nowhere. This is going on for a while already.

Satish Kumar

11/07/2013 10:48 am

hi, our one of website down and still not recovered now i started my another blog httL// what should i do so my website should not effected by penguine.

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