Google Search May Be Updating...

Jun 19, 2013 • 9:03 am | comments (98) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates

Google UpdateThere is a lot of new chatter in the WebmasterWorld forums, along with random threads at other forums including Google Webmaster Help about Google's search results shifting around and some webmasters claiming huge declines in referrals from Google starting around 8pm EDT last night.

Some are hoping it was just an Analytics issue but looking at the reports throughout the day and this morning, it seems like it wasn't.

One webmaster said:

Another 50% drop from what has left till yesterday. That is now 25% left from pre-panda/penguin. Serps itself look quiet spammy like normal.

Another said:

Seeing 10-15% drop here. Pretty much all of our Google traffic is gone. Direct only now.

We know we are waiting for Google to slowly push out a softer Panda update but would softer result in more complaints or less complaints?

Last time we reported a shift without Google confirmation was on June 5th and there are still many sites who have seen huge drops on that date, despite Google not confirming anything.

Mozcast just updated and it is not showing major changes.

Did you notice major changes late last night into this morning?

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld.

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06/19/2013 01:19 pm

Thanks for temporarily blinding me with that image - looks great. As for the update, I checked and spam sites are still ranking well so the update doesn't seem to be targeting spam, but then again, this might be an update that reduces a different type of spam. It's likely the kind of update that motivates you to buy Adwords ads. Didn't the Adwords team just come out with a new feature? Great way to encourage more people to try it.


06/19/2013 01:19 pm

We are down about 0.46% over here, which is just noise and nothing unusual. Will be keeping an eye out though.

Barry Schwartz

06/19/2013 01:20 pm

Glad the image worked. :)


06/19/2013 01:20 pm

So are you seeing any drop in traffic from Google or...?


06/19/2013 01:21 pm

You always know how to please :)

Sam Dogen

06/19/2013 01:48 pm

Thanks for looking into this Barry. At 10pm PSt last night i refreshed my GA dashboard and found the chart back to normal. Not sure why GA delayed real numbers for more than 10 hours to many users around the world.


06/19/2013 01:51 pm

Not seeing anything, but then again I haven't really been monitoring as of late. In all honesty, I am only having trouble ranking one of my sites and it's my best one and for this reason it's pissing me off. My other sites are holding steady as usual. I haven't checked analytics for months. I did coincidentally check out last night just to see what the SERPs look like and I see the same churn and burn tactics being used over and over and over... I'm honestly thinking of trying it because it seems so much easier than actually doing things the legit way. I actually thought much more of Google, but after seeing the spam, I am just amazed.

Praveen Sharma

06/19/2013 02:25 pm

Haven't seen any drop yet. Just see this image for 2 minutes and you will start seeing color balloons in air.

Sita Gabriel

06/19/2013 02:27 pm

Didn't see a drop...

M Chaaban

06/19/2013 02:33 pm

tic tac, tic tac...2013-06-20


06/19/2013 02:37 pm

For a company that seems to have many so called geniuses working there, Google surely is making too many changes to search and EFFING with peoples businesses, why so much fluctuation? They made us wait 10 months for the Penguin refresh now they are running these updates like weekly, "NEWS Alert" small business owners bail out now! This is the Apocalypse of the internet as we know it!


06/19/2013 02:41 pm

Yeah heres a good one for you! I am in the SF Bay Area and have a friend that works at a start up company that is very successful. They have yet to go public however they allowed Google to buy many shares at an affordable price. The company also ranked #1 for a term that gets over 90K exact matches. The last Penguin update dropped this company to #3, I guess they hoped Google would keep them at top LOL. Also why the hell would Google get priority over shares first in company that is private, guess Google meant a lot for this business; then dropped them in rankings after they had their shares - Google is more crooked then the American Gov.! but we already knew this anyways, no surprise...


06/19/2013 03:07 pm

So you take circumstantial evidence that Google isn't helping to rank a company it has financial dealings with at the number one spot... ...and use that to draw the conclusion that, "Google meant a lot for this business; then dropped them in rankings after they had their shares - Google is more crooked then the American Gov.! but we already knew this anyways, no surprise..." Wow. I would be willing to bet that if that company kept a number one ranking that you would be hear regaling us with your tale of Google corruption by bumping a company they have stake in to the top of the rankings and keeping them there.


06/19/2013 03:09 pm

"They made us wait 10 months for the Penguin refresh now they are running these updates like weekly," They are always running refreshes and updates and tests, regardless of the status of any individual change. It's not like they were doing no updating to their algorithms inside that ten month period and now they are acting differently.


06/19/2013 03:10 pm

Dude get a life buddy.... Private company gave shares to Google before their own employees, LOL - you have no argument and post way too many comments like the trolls in Google Webmaster Forums, get a job LOL


06/19/2013 03:11 pm

again get a life buddy, you poor troll brain washed by Google. Keep backing up Google with your comments and maybe you will get an un-paid internship LOL


06/19/2013 03:14 pm

Private startup, allegedly, received funding from Google. What did I miss that is out of the ordinary for tech startups and their interactions with entrepreneurs? "LOL - you have no argument and post way too many comments like the trolls in Google Webmaster Forums, get a job LOL" That is funny for a multitude of reasons.


06/19/2013 03:16 pm

You really think that my stating that they run lots of refreshes/updates/tests on their algorithm is trolling or brainwashed? I feel sorry for your thought process and hope you get revenge on whatever hard surface that left you this way.


06/19/2013 03:28 pm

I saw a huge drop in Google Analytics yesterday that had me very concerned, but today the traffic seems to be fixed and analytics is working correctly. I'm not showing any change from where I'm at.


06/19/2013 03:32 pm

This may be a really dumb question, but: Does your analytics still show the big dip in traffic that you experienced or has that data also been 'filled in'/corrected? I ask because I don't see any significant drop and I was curious if you had to see it before whatever 'fix' there seems to have been. Maybe if we get enough input on this question we can determine whether it was delayed reporting or a real loss in traffic for a short period of time.


06/19/2013 03:46 pm

Huge drop in google my nichr has same site ranking first 4 places and my site with all great links and citations is nowhere to be found i have about 10 links to my site webmaster tool shows 8 and weird part is i creates that keyword in my washroom random no meaning keyword and got the .com for it but im not even on 1st page even though there is nothing on the net with that keyword. Wow


06/19/2013 03:49 pm

Wait, hes accusing Google of been corrupt, for NOT artifically ranking a company they have a stake in at #1...... which if they had done that, would have been corruption..... Wow, thats really dumb. fhsdhs, seriously, think THEN type, not the other way round.


06/19/2013 03:52 pm

Shh...don't make sense or else you automatically work for Google. Here I was, sitting at work one day on the East Coast...and then I posted something on seroundtable. POOF! I was instantly in Mountain View, CA and had been given my own work station. It's a crazy world.


06/19/2013 03:59 pm

Pretty sure this was an Analytics bug. Normally when Analytics lags, it just lags an hour or two behind. But yesterday, it *looked* like it was up to date at the hourly level, but only a portion of visits from each hour were reflected. I nearly had a heart attack when I checked my stats last night, and saw traffic was 1/3 of what it should have been at that point in the day. Later on, it refreshed and everything looked normal.


06/19/2013 04:00 pm

we cannot expect anything good from google. It only sending traffic to hotlinked images (directly, cheaters!). Better to act now as this search engine not exists and close indexing for it via robots.txt. Peoples need to focus on bing/yahoo/social networks/big traffic website. Google is just greedy now and it on the way to self-destruction. let help them, robots.txt : useragent: googlebot, disavow: / All matt cutt promises is LIE, also it not possibly to recover old sites, disavow tool not work. i think now only dark blackhatters able to get traffic in this search engine, because it easy for them change domains, cloak, etc. White hat way not work.


06/19/2013 04:02 pm

I really like Panda and Google in general reading comments like this one. Sorry man, but you just have serious problems with your logic ... or with the intellect ... or kind of problem in general. Don't know, but the sooner you'll change your occupation, the better will be for you in the first place. Seriously, no offence. This business is just not for you.


06/19/2013 04:05 pm

more than 1 year of tries to recover site but without luck and more and more crazy animal updates. looks really need to go to blackhat.


06/19/2013 04:11 pm

It was delayed reporting. Around 11:00 yesterday my traffic suddenly cut in half. It really freaked me out, especially since this lasted throughout the rest of the day. This morning it is showing "corrected" traffic for those hours yesterday and everything appears to be normal now.


06/19/2013 04:12 pm

That describes exactly what happened to me.


06/19/2013 04:14 pm

Ah, I understand now. Well, if it happened than I missed it. Damn, I could have used a heart attack.

some guy

06/19/2013 04:14 pm

I am agree with it. And add few announces in the press what google unable to index lot of internet websites, so it not a complete search engine now.


06/19/2013 04:20 pm

If you check Justin Cutroni's posts on Google +, he actually talked about this analytics issue


06/19/2013 04:57 pm

I'm jumping on and off with the GA, still can't say anything for sure. And after two hours of doing this I suddenly realized, that even Google Analytics became unreliable. What the F.. is going on with the Google ?


06/19/2013 05:28 pm

What´s it got to do with you? It´s their search engine. Not yours. It´s their analytics, not yours. If google want to have the worst analytics program on the net then that is up to them. If you want to complain, get your own analytics package up on the net. sshhh... moaners today.


06/19/2013 06:17 pm

Absolutely. I'm thinking already, if I really need GA. Have no time right now to dig into this, but the process of the distrust was started already.


06/19/2013 06:25 pm

Barry, Very interesting things are going on in vertical that I cover. Now Google is showing a big featured box with the answer to the question. Before webmd was ranking number one however now Google gives you the answer for the query. Try it yourself and I have been in this niche for almost 10 years and I have never seen this --> if you search "hemorrhoids signs and symptoms" then Google doesn't give blue links anymore just gives you the answer in a feature box. It does it for following keywords and tons of others: cancer signs and symptoms psoriasis signs and symptoms If you do it for treatment it does the same thing. Is this the future? I mean is Google going to keep every single bit of traffic? What this means for us webmasters? Will we stand up against this or should we accept it and just let it be?


06/19/2013 06:44 pm

Barry, I did the search from US IP and on top it shows product images so the first half of the screen is ads and this white box with the answer. Should we webmasters suck it up and accept it or do something about it?


06/19/2013 06:44 pm

Let's hear your suggestions.


06/19/2013 06:46 pm

I tried it ... they are snippets from authoratitive websites like mayoclinic, and they have a nice link to "read more". This is good for the searcher and good for the sites deemed worthy of the snippet. Why would you want to "stand up against this"? For the searcher it is good.

Rob Jenkins

06/19/2013 06:53 pm

Not sure exactly when it was implemented but I just noticed it in the last couple of days. If you do a search for some local business genre like "new york catering" you will see it is now showing a ton at the top with images.


06/19/2013 06:56 pm

But the links below will hardly ever get anything. How can a doctor who specializes in that treatment can get anything? I mean if you have spent 20 years of your life treating patients and run a small site to share your research and insight. Wouldn't you be more of an authority resource for Google to show for the keywords than Mayoclinic article written by MayoClinic staff which they claim to be some experts? I guess we will have to suck it up and say "that its good for the searcher" as we been doing with every other Google update. I will suck it up and just shut up. It's good for the user top spot 4 product image ads and then this feature box and then pile of other links. It's good for the user I wonder whats in it for us webmasters? Just suck it up as usual right James?


06/19/2013 06:59 pm

@Ethalon, Will just suck it up, my site was getting only about 100 visitors a month with few patients in the clinic. Now it will be 20 visitors a month. I was not making millions from the search anyways. Google knows whats authority content and whats not. But it will increase their revenue which is GOOD!


06/19/2013 07:04 pm

" How can a doctor who specializes in that treatment can get anything? " Doctor must treat, not run website about the treatment.


06/19/2013 07:12 pm

@Anti-Seo It was a hobby site of my clinic where I have published peer-reviewed content for past 10 years. It all started with a hobby. I was not touching the 7-8 figures salary but I was getting 100 or so visitors a month some of which turned into patients. But ah well. Google knows it better for worst or good.


06/19/2013 07:30 pm

It lost the hobby status when you opened your statistics the first time. When the statistics is opened and you do care about it, then you're in business. In web development business. Are you familiar with such business ? Rhetorical question.


06/19/2013 07:34 pm

LOL )) Barry, be aware that doctors consider you as the revolution leader. You must have gas mask, instead of Google Glass ))


06/19/2013 08:40 pm

Maybe more people switched to DuckDuckGo lol


06/19/2013 09:55 pm

just white noise in my opinion.


06/19/2013 11:01 pm

I really don't see anything different. The same free blog hosts are still ranking their splogs rather well. Copied content is doing pretty good when hosted on a Google owned property (Splogspot) too. Domain authority is the new king and hard working webmasters are the pawns looking for a way to fix something that only Google can fix (their broken algorithm that encourages content theft and link spam to competition websites).


06/19/2013 11:31 pm

I know there are a lot of mixed feelings or distrust in anyone that complains. Previously I was somewhat in the same boat. I am one of the people who was quoted above from Webmaster World. Let me tell you that there is collateral damage, and I strongly do consider myself part of this damage. June 5th to be precise. The trend of people who regularly complain about these updates normally run a WordPress style website. Mine is not. I spent around 6 months developing my website before launching it. It's around 15,000 lines of code or so. It's completely custom, valid (HTML5) code. If I check the "recommended" guidelines, there is not a single one that I can say no to. In all honesty, I didn't even check any of these or even bother to read up on "SEO" before I was hit with this penalty. I never built the website for "SEO". But don't take my word on having an "awesome" site, everyone says that right? Well I thought at least my analytic statistics backed that up. My sites bounce rate is below 25%, repeat visitor is very, very high, and our pages per user is verging on 10 or so. We also have thousands of registered users (for free) who most of return daily. There is no UGC indexed by Google, either. There have been 2-3 scrapers that targeted my website, though I blocked them and they are all offline now. To top it off? Zero ads. This was a project I did in my free time. This wasn't a money chasing project. So while this may not effect me in the same way that it effects others, it is still a little mind boggling wondering what triggered the penalty. We lost around 100,000 visitors from Google daily. Our search is mainly our direct and returning visitors. Searches for our site name have increased nearly 10 fold. So people are wondering where our website went... Or that's how I read it. There is collateral damage in these updates.

Graham Ginsberg

06/19/2013 11:43 pm

I know your pain. I have lived it for over a year. Difference is I had 2+ years developing my site and people loved it. Google, the beast, one April day 2012, didn't for whatever reason. I refuse to buy Pay Per Click Google not matter what based on principal.

Graham Ginsberg

06/19/2013 11:46 pm

Stop whining about Google. Say prays for Google


06/19/2013 11:47 pm

You're right, without the precise URL this is just another whining. URL please.

Graham Ginsberg

06/19/2013 11:48 pm

EThalon = Paid Google shill

Graham Ginsberg

06/19/2013 11:50 pm

"Anti-SEO" you're always voting UP Google with your wonderful SEO and your many 'friends' that mysteriously link to you with free love. How about YOUR URL?


06/19/2013 11:54 pm

What's the point to show you MY URL, when you're realtor ? Don't see any.

Graham Ginsberg

06/19/2013 11:58 pm

You're no salesman "Anti-SEO" - You just like to remain anonymous - Thats being honest pal and I am no Realtor LOL


06/20/2013 12:00 am

Lay off Anti he is just some light comic relief around here ;)


06/20/2013 12:28 am

That's the beauty of the Internet, ain't it? I agree with your statement. However, I don't want to post my URL for a couple of reasons. I guess you can take it or leave it (my opinion/situation that is). I know that Alexa stats are rubbish, though to use it as a reference point, it was (and still is) a highly ranked Alexa website. It has a somewhat significant profile. I don't wish for it to be the center of attention for these matters. I've previously thought about contacting some people to run some "case studies" but I've since changed my mind. My website has 2 main competitors who are somewhat similar in their functionality and use (though more limited) and they are yet to be hit. These are both also very highly ranked on Alexa, both well below 1,000. Which means I've either: 1. Done something obviously wrong somewhere/missed something. I've had a few of my webmasters/programmer mates go over it with a fine tooth comb. Beyond minor improvements, there's nothing obvious. 2. Maybe there's a dodgy page somewhere I am unaware of -- Google said "A single page can bring down a domain". Possible, though unlikely I believe. 3. I am collateral damage. I am 99% sure that it is content/structure related. I've made some tweaks here and there so we'll see how that goes. Another area that may be my downfall is heavy usage of robots.txt -- I previously blocked quite a lot of the website. I've relaxed these rules a little. But to me, that doesn't make much sense. And lastly, the only other thing I came up with, was a "nofollow" on a couple of internal links. After watching basically every Google webmaster video, Matt Cutts basically says it's a bad idea except in some circumstances. I used it on my login/register page, as well as to an information page that was linked on every page. I have since removed these internal nofollow's.


06/20/2013 12:32 am

Not a lot happening with the Serp status checkers. Except it showed a bit of a spike a day or 2 ago but no one seemed to be making a big deal of it


06/20/2013 12:50 am

Watch this stats : I'm pretty sure the owner also whining somewhere or will start soon. Can the owner blame Google ? Well, probably yes. ..................... Then watch the website by itself and try to understand what is it about, how it works ... dig it. Can the owner blame Google now ? That's why vague talking without the URL is the waste of time.


06/20/2013 02:42 am

I bet this guy is whining more ;)


06/20/2013 02:47 am

This site follows none of Googles rules. Including the no-follow advertorials rule and it seems to be crying all the way to the bank

Durant Imboden

06/20/2013 03:07 am

Ditto. Our traffic appeared to be down by more than 20 per cent by the end of the day. Then the numbers jumped, then they fell again before stabilizing at the higher level.


06/20/2013 04:30 am

Couple of days ago I read here Google will keep rolling out updates in the start of every month and will take almost 15-20 days to come into full effect. I think this is also a part of panda update.

Google is rigged

06/20/2013 05:58 am

Google is making money for themselves--by ruining other people businesses. Those that lose traffic advertise thinks Nikesh Arora so they have fraudster named Amit Singhal rig search

Alan Smith

06/20/2013 06:36 am

Hope Good sites will be top again.


06/20/2013 08:49 am

Citadel Insurance?? Position #8 car insurance uk, nobody knows what it is, site permanently in maintenance mode!


06/20/2013 09:41 am

Since 6 months for my nice in the Netherlands (.nl) we see only .com results, 2 days ago, finally everything was back to normal. So for my niche 90% .nl websites. I was getting happy. Only this took 1 day because everything is back to what is was. I hope Google will fix this, because this is not normal.

Matt Fielding

06/20/2013 11:30 am

i don't see citadel anywhere in the top 100 - must have been spanked, or personalisation?


06/20/2013 11:44 am now at #13 and out of maintenance mode. Go incognito on Chrome to double check.


06/20/2013 12:04 pm

"Domain authority is the new king..." Anything we can take a look at to back up that assertion? It would be a pretty big deal, so surely you have something for us to all see for ourselves.


06/20/2013 12:05 pm

Yeah, they had an update recently that no longer classified sites based on TLD. I do think this backfired on them so they likely rolled back. I know I've seen a lot of sites in the US for shopping results which obviously doesn't make too much sense.


06/20/2013 12:09 pm

Uh, huh. Again, if pointing out something obvious and non-controversial makes me a shill in your eyes, then you have some problems dealing with reality. I wish I was getting paid to speak some common sense to the ignorant, headless chickens...but alas, it's the 8-5 for me.


06/20/2013 12:16 pm

My last comment disappeared probably because I added a link. Have you missed all the spam in the Google UK? Did you not see that all those churn and burn sites are ranking due to the domain authority of blog co uk (can't type it properly due to Disqus) and on Tripod or whatever that site is called. Do you not realize that internet marketers have fled to sites like Squidoo due to the domain authority of the site? Have you been living under a rock or something?


06/20/2013 12:17 pm

Good to hear some others see the same thing.. I felt kinda lonly.. :) Today I received a message in webmastertools saying that Search results clicks for XXX have increased significantly. This is the message for that only 1 day the serp's looked normal again.. They do not really know what they are doing in the Netherlands..


06/20/2013 12:21 pm

You have no clue what are you talking about. Marketers are leaving Squidoo as the rats from the sinking ship. Watch this : and read the forum on Squidoo.


06/20/2013 12:22 pm

I saw your last comment: You leave the query out of the reposted one, let me quote that for you: "Google payday loans in the UK and you will see that all the churn and burn sites are hosted on that [blog uk link removed] (at least last time I checked) and on the Tripod site. Many internet marketers have moved to Squidoo because it's easier to rank there. Have you been living under a rock?" You are surprised that churn and burn sites are choosing to host on cheap/free platforms? If you are attempting to play in that pool then you had better get dirty too, otherwise it is a lost cause. Then again, if you are playing in that pool you are probably hoping for affiliate links and offer no real service anyway...I am happy that you aren't contributing to the institutional loan sharking of the poor to make a few bucks. It is a scummy and spammy industry. The fact that you attempt to exemplify your gripes with Google by citing payday loan SERPs and equivocating them to every/any query shows that you are either purposefully ignoring the reality of the situation, or are woefully ignorant and choose to rant and rave instead of learning something. Your 'under a rock' comment is hysterical to all those except the other perpetual Google whiners who choose to throw around insults and blame rather than attempting to understand what is going on in your 'industry'.


06/20/2013 12:23 pm

Don't worry, it's not just you. It's a worldwide thing. The SERPs keep getting worst. I was so pissed when I saw a UK site outranking mine and it's not like I cover soccer news or something. Go figure.


06/20/2013 12:27 pm

I didn't ever read this entire post - too long. I stopped when you accused me of "play in that pool" simply because I monitor what is going on in the online world. No I don't play in that "pool" but I did find it interesting how someone could use that strategy to outrank sites in any pool. Aside from that, was I talking to you? Afraid your guy can't defend himself?


06/20/2013 12:28 pm

Get a life.

Matt Fielding

06/20/2013 12:34 pm

I've got at 13...


06/20/2013 12:34 pm

Get a life - Phrase used by insecure xenophobes as a response to someone with different hobbies, interests or attitudes to themselves. These people often think they have a lot of friends, but usually nobody really cares for them. You perfectly introduced yourself )


06/20/2013 12:41 pm

I am pretty sure you were talking to me, sometimes Disqus gets the names mixed up until you refresh the screen (I had a whole screen of Tweety Bird avatars the other day). That strategy seems to be useful only in queries where churn and burn is profitable; spammy queries. You shouldn't think that those strategies are applicable for most queries as most of those sites last for a short period of time and then disappear to be replaced.


06/20/2013 12:54 pm

And you make a perfect jackass out of yourself every chance you get. Happy? You seriously have issues. Now I've gotta go, but you keep trolling and making sure that no one manages to slip a negative comment about Google by you. OK? Both you an ethanol have issues... but that guy doesn't really sound as pathetic. He just doesn't have a site so he can't relate but you... Issues!


06/20/2013 12:58 pm

Oh ... more self introduction ?? )


06/20/2013 01:02 pm

I have a site I work with. I am in-house and focus more on our adwords campaign, but that doesn't mean I am not actively using my presented worldview to do my job. Why do you think I don't have a site I work on/with?


06/20/2013 01:19 pm

this is clear cheat again, few sites get special treatment in google search results. It just showing us again what google is really corrupt. Anti-monopoly laws may be can work here.


06/20/2013 01:22 pm

it not good for searchers just because it unnatural serp links, it like adwords ads, pay to get traffic. It destroy any competition between clinics/gov sites and medical portals.


06/20/2013 01:29 pm

Sort out your browser lol


06/20/2013 02:06 pm

Do you really think Google would pay me to counter your know-nothing, reactionary ridiculousness? Ha! That is some grandiose thinking.


06/20/2013 10:37 pm

Working on someone elses site and having your own are two completely different things. I used to work for companies and I can tell you, when you work for someone else it's different than when you work for yourself. I work and have worked with Adwords and since we're talking PPC, I can tell you that my first PPC campaign was run on overture dot com, but what does PPC have to do with all this?


06/21/2013 12:02 am

Some significant changes for 'infographics' keyword. Previous #1 spot dropped to #10. Lots of shifting in between.


06/21/2013 07:52 am

Local organic search (for services) is now mostly just all directories, directory after directory after directory. Since people use google as a directory they may want to scale back directory listings to 1 or 2 not 8-9 in many cases? Matt, PLEASE give some people a chance!!


06/22/2013 01:51 pm

No wonder my Traffic is almost dead, MozCast showing 91 for June 21st. Hope things settle down soon.


06/22/2013 01:55 pm

Sorry for double post, screenshot didn't attach earlier..


06/23/2013 01:27 pm

i am also seeing on 13th position i think you need to sort out the problem :D

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08/28/2013 06:08 am

I am a bit late for the details. but thanks

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