GM Of CO.CC Argue's Google Delisting

Jul 11, 2011 • 9:09 am | comments (29) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google Search Engine Optimization
 

Google removes CO.CCOn July 1st, we were the first to report that Google delisted all CO.CC web sites from their index. Yes, over 10 million sites were delisted from Google in a matter of seconds.

Google's explanation was that the subdomain contained too much spam and Google simply wanted to just clean it all out. Of course, Google has the right to do so, it is their search engine and index.

James Kim, the General Manager of CO.CC posted a complaint about the removal in the Google Webmaster Help forums. James Kim said it is not the "right decision" and thinks Google should take "responsibility for their losses" incurred by the site owners on those domains.

Here is the full post, where he also cites how Google's Blogspot is 80% filled with spam and should thus be delisted from Google as well. I agree with that.

Here is the full post:

This is General Manager from co.cc. I tried to contact to General Manager of Google but I haven’t got any reply from him. Therefore, I post my message in here to ask you forward this to him.

I know the reason that Google deindex to co.cc because it has high ration of malicious sites and low quality sites. However, I don’t think it is right decision that Google just block the whole domain which has 10 millions co.cc sites and 200millions webpages without any notice to us.

Within total co.cc sites, the fraction of malicious sites is not over 0.01%. We have block malicious domains that we got this information from many major vaccine companies including Trend Micro and Symantect since 2010. And also, according to Spamhaus advices, if there is any new domain set, we are checking whether the server IP is not list to Spamhaus Block List. In addition, once we get malicious domains information from major vaccine companies every day, we are promptly doing Shinkhole. With these kinds of serious monitoring and taking prompt actions, the ratio of operating malicious domains have been not over 0.01%.

We have no right to force internet users making high quality web pages. It is obviously to overstep our authority. Each internet user has their own right to make their website and it is their ability to do so.

As you know, xxx.blogspot.com and facebook.com/xxx have about 70%~80% that have been just setting there without any caring. On the other words, those are actually low-quality sites. I have a question to you. “Can you deindex those *.blogspot.com and facebook.com/* sites? Your Google-robot is already smart enough, so those low-quality sites are rarely exposure due to falling into behind of dominant searches. If necessary, you might need to make more smart Google robot.

In addition, there isn't any notice that “if goole Apps and blogger.com Users set cutomdomain to use co.cc, they will get any disadvantages.” You should know that there are thousands users for the apps, blogger and google-sites are using co.cc domain as their custom domains.

Moreover, you have never noticed to those users that they will get any disadvantages if they use .co.cc(SLD). Nevertheless, it is no right thing to deindex all those sites.

We always supply our all domains information and zone files to vaccine company if request. Whenever they request to us, we are always to prepare for it. We will accept any difficult request from you and we even take serious positive consideration if we need to sell co.cc.

If we take much longer time, thousands users will have more loss from it. We and you all know that someone should take responsibility for their losses which cannot take it back.

We are looking forward to hearing your reply soon.

Sincerely,

James kim legal@co.cc phone number: +82319196171

Two points:

(1) It is Google's index and they can do what they want. (2) I do think Google should deindex Blogpsot.com content also, just to be fair.

Forum discussion at Google Webmaster Help.

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Comments:

Jonathon Hewitt

07/11/2011 01:30 pm

Haha! Like Google would ever deindex their own domain! That would be the day I start using another search engine as the answer is not to just delist something. There is still some relevance there. I say they just give them some guidelines to follow and give them a chance to clean up and then Google should re-index co.cc.

SantaClaus

07/11/2011 01:55 pm

It would have been more appropriate to say something like... "This is General Manager from co.cc. I tried to contact to General Manager of Google but I haven’t got any reply from him. Please help me get in touch with the relevant people to discuss what it would take to be added back to Google's index." Especially if any of his fuzzy numbers are inaccurate or misleading. Google's like Santa. He knows when you are not being truthful about web stats :)

Barry Adams

07/11/2011 02:02 pm

Dangerous trend. It's basically an admission of failure. "We can't keep our index clean by filtering spam sites algorithmically, so we'll resort to blanket TLD de-indexation." What's to stop them from de-indexing the .xxx TLD when some engineer decides these sites contain too much objectional material? It's Google's job to make all the web's information available and accessible. This move, seems to me, has the exact opposite effect.

Ian Williams

07/11/2011 02:39 pm

"Make more smart Google robot!! Make more smart Google robot!!"

bees1844

07/11/2011 02:40 pm

Really, there has been so much chitter chatter about personalisation  as 'censorship' (especially after Eli Pariser's TED talk), its quite amazing that the entire deindexing of a TLD can slip in quite so quietly.

mark

07/11/2011 03:16 pm

In reality google whole index is nothing but scraped content they use for their listings..

Syed Khaled Hussaini

07/11/2011 03:53 pm

This is a nice example of how Google doesn't care much about the little guys, and explains why the their new updates have 'collateral damange' that is quite unnaturally high. Obviously, there must be quite a few quality .co.cc websites and they didn't deserve to be washed out.

Syed Khaled Hussaini

07/11/2011 03:55 pm

Its not far from possible. Even if its just to prove their standards... they did penalize their own new acquired auto insurance website  and that wasn't a long time ago.

Syed Khaled Hussaini

07/11/2011 03:56 pm

Its pretty surprising.. I can imagine how it would feel to run an honest website on that domain and get wiped out just because Google was lazy to filter the bad guys out

Syed Khaled Hussaini

07/11/2011 03:57 pm

Point  well made

Benjamin Fox

07/11/2011 04:24 pm

is .co.cc a TLD or just a cunningly named domain that sells subdomains?

Animo

07/11/2011 05:30 pm

I've been victimized by scrapers from blogspot a LOT.  So I'll make sure I list them here if I find any new examples.  In the meantime, that letter from the GM has such poor English that I could not read it.  I am annoyed that I've been victimized by Panda (Pandalized) and included in the same bucket as some of these people.   On the one hand, I'm happy not to see any co.cc domain in use (I've seen them scrape my work too!), but on the other hand, I'm peeved at Google for not knowing good work from bad.  It's been a tough 5 months as a webmaster.  Really tough.

Animo

07/11/2011 06:53 pm

Here is a blogspot account that is alive and well that is outranking many other sites: banpodar.blogspot.com.  No links, just a mention.  This is an example of a blogspot account (there's many more like this) that loves to simply scrape from original sources or from ezine / article base style sources.  It's so bad that this site even scraped my  personal opinions/views and passed it as its own.  It even included my copyright information on the page, which is copied word for word.  I hope you let this be known here, how Google has been two-faced about their rankings.

Memmm

07/11/2011 06:53 pm

"(1) It is Google's index and they can do what they want. (2) I do think Google should deindex Blogpsot.com content also, just to be fair."   WRONG. It's their index just as windows was Microsoft's software and they can do whatever they do, only as much as MSFT was able to do whatever they could in Windows. Especially when co.cc competes with Blogger.

Haseeb Najam

07/12/2011 06:17 am

I read that google webmaster thread and honestly I was a bit shocked by the tone and language used by TOP CONTRIBUTORS there. It was looking a bullying forum rather than a Help forum. I guess thats happened when people who read books worth $5 about SEO become TOP CONTRIBUTORS in forums like these. The only logical reason given is Phishing activities, which as per co.cc GM, was handled in 2010. Other than that spam problem is far more worst on blogspot than on .co.cc., same goes for porn, pharma, scrapers, and other words used by TOP CONTRIBUTORS there. I think instead of just reading all the  theoritcal guidlines Google collected on there website, the TOP CONTRIBUTORS should spend some time in leaning how to speak sensibly with people in oublic forums.

Haseeb Najam

07/12/2011 06:21 am

yeah but miraculously the penalty on all such sites lifted within 60 days.  And then, after becoming Google Property, they started to rank again., infact rank better than before.

Betonsky

07/12/2011 09:43 am

I am 100% against Google's decision and think that it is also illogical in addition to being unwise.

darkness_hero

07/13/2011 04:55 am

In My country, Thailand there is a verse "Bad Germ never Die" mean, You can't kill all bad.... and " kill 1 bring 100" mean, You can win one but hundred will come against you.... Do the Google think just de-index .co.cc can clear whole? you know the answer.... They just leave .co.cc to another free domain and blog.... One day to Blogspot. May be in a few weeks you may see tons of them... Google may not mind about us, just because Google thought he is a king... so he have right to shoot down anyone or should i say "genocide"

darkness_hero

07/13/2011 05:01 am

There isn't "Don't use co.cc" in google's guidelines.

gman

07/13/2011 07:18 am

It's utter crap people suggesting it's their search they can do as they please! Get a grip on reality. No they can't. It's called....government regulators, watchdogs etc. So "it's their search" so they could just list all Google products on page 1? Jesus grab some brains people. Not they can't do whatever they want. Got it straight now? Peace and hugs everyone!

Tbh_333

07/13/2011 07:41 am

will google do the same to all other free subdomains in the future.. as the malicious and spammers will switch to use other free subdomains in the net

Priyo Yusrianto

07/13/2011 12:30 pm

ahh.. might end up in public lawsuit against google ... or the almighty G wants to make their own free subdomain called .gle ROFL

James Holden

07/13/2011 01:33 pm

It's a cunningly named domain that looks like a second level domains. A bit like .uk.com.

James Holden

07/13/2011 01:43 pm

Yes, it is an admission of failure in a way. Google can't work miracles though. Some filtering algorithms are going to be harder to scale than others due to the nature of the maths involved. It's likely to be a commercial decision based on the amount of value the "good" .co.cc sites will being to the results, compared to the development and infrastructure costs of finding the legitimate .co.cc sites (.co.cc accounts for about 5% of the total domains registered). I'm sure Google bans IP ranges all the time, but that doesn't get the headlines in the same way as this does.

Crusader

07/17/2011 08:07 am

My web site is registered through co.cc  Last year they shut it down, claiming that It was spam/malware infected. I proved otherwise and got it reinstated.   I also have bogs on Blogspot & Wordpress.  The co.cc domain had the highest page rank, 4.  I can't check it anymore because the add in I used is not compatible with the current version of Firefox.  Web sight indexing should be a function of content, not domain registry. 

เกมส์

08/03/2011 01:52 pm

Will Google ever reindex CO.CC?

Okiujs

08/03/2011 02:33 pm

This is General Manager from co.cc. I tried to contact to General Manager of Google but I haven’t got any reply from him. Therefore, I post my message in here to ask you forward this to him. ผลบอลวันนี้

Poed

08/15/2011 08:50 pm

Scroogle is going to ruin you no matter what you do with them. They ae the devil and nobody does anything about it. Power is god as we all know. Yes they commit every kind of fraud, copyright violation and have ruined thousand of e-commerce business in the past years. It may be their engine but they dominant in blatent restraint of trade and the governments do nothing about it, except maybe china.

Ab'Dow Elidrissi

12/03/2013 04:03 am

Get the f.. (Co.cc) Back. -__-"

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