Was There A Google Update On November 14th?

Nov 18, 2013 • 9:02 am | comments (133) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates
 

Google Update - Moz 102Some of the automated tracking tools for detecting shifts in Google's search results and thus showing evidence of a Google update went haywire on Thursday, November 14th.

Mozcast reported 102 degrees, which means a major change in the search results. SERPs.com also showed higher than normal changes, as did SERP Metrics. But Algoroo and DigitalPoints ranking (see right side bar) show very little changes in the changes.

I normally see a large spike in chatter (as you know I like to call it) in the online discussion forums and social media areas when Google makes major ranking changes. But I honestly saw very little chatter.

The ongoing WebmasterWorld thread has maybe one or two people asking if there was an update around November 15th. The other forums are pretty dead around that date. In fact, the Google Webmaster Help forums has even less chatter than normal on those dates. If there was a major update, I would have seen tons of threads and complaints but I did not, nor did I see any delayed complaints over the weekend.

So what is going on? I am not sure. Moz posted more details on Google+ saying:

On 11/14, the top 10 domains held 15.4% of the page 1 positions we track - on 11/15, it jumped to 15.9%. Wikipedia, Amazon, and eBay all gained in the 3-5% range.

Dr. Pete, who analyzes this stuff wrote at the end:

Unfortunately, there's no clear pattern, and webmaster chatter has been relatively normal. I'm waiting on some of the other 3rd-party weather station to see if they confirm. If anyone saw unusual changes to their rankings, please leave a comment.

The truth is, normally the chatter and analytics tools do match - here they do not, for some reason.

Did you notice changes last Thursday, if so let us know in the comments.

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld and Google+.

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Comments:

ethalon

11/18/2013 02:09 pm

Barry, just an editorial note: Thursday was the 14th, Friday was the 15th.

Barry Schwartz

11/18/2013 02:11 pm

Thanks, I am losing it.

Daniel Sanchez

11/18/2013 02:19 pm

I had ~30% increase in traffic through out my websites.

Greg Fowler

11/18/2013 02:22 pm

I can tell you the exact date this happened. It was the 12th. One of my sites and four other client sites took a major hit on the same day, and a rollout probably continued throughout the rest of the week. For what it appears it was directed at content, not links. At least this is what I see on my end.

Eif

11/18/2013 02:34 pm

I've noticed some changes and an unusual traffic increase lately.

Adam Heaton

11/18/2013 02:39 pm

I've noticed a decline in a few clients websites, but put it down to just random fluctuation as opposed to an update.

Stephen Ostermiller

11/18/2013 02:42 pm

Big updates don't necessarily cause chatter. Webmasters tend to talk when their loses large amounts of traffic. If an algorithm shakes up the results, but doesn't favor one site over another as a whole, there won't be much chatter about it. Webmasters tend to track total traffic, not individual SERPs.

Adam Heaton

11/18/2013 02:46 pm

In fact, let me elaborate. Recently noticed that bigger brands have appeared for "snooker cues", which have only recently appeared from what I am aware of. Not sure how accurate that is however as haven't checked the rankings as recently as the date indicated. Anyone else noticed bigger brands showing up for phrases?

Rick

11/18/2013 03:13 pm

I believe that Google is randomizing the results now for some terms. Maybe the tool was caught in one of the randomized moves. If you look in GWT and click on one of your search queries that are click-able you will see a position in the search results graph. That basically tells you they are randomizing your position.

Marie Haynes

11/18/2013 03:20 pm

That would fit with a Panda refresh if that's what this was as Google said they would roll out Panda refreshes gradually over a 10 day period.

Josh

11/18/2013 03:35 pm

One of our Penguin hurt clients saw a small 15% jump around this period. Not sure if it's related. Good notes.

Durant Imboden

11/18/2013 03:53 pm

Lots of crawling, no significant changes (not yet, anyway) for our information site.

asris

11/18/2013 04:15 pm

I think a lot of people have given up on wasting their time on Google. As much as they would like to rank on Google, organic search is becoming a losing battle.

Justin

11/18/2013 04:23 pm

Saw a drop on one site, but the other is staying about the same so far. Had Google go crazy for a few days last week, and jump from crawling 10k pages on average per night, to 30k. Seems like there are some big changes going on, and I don't think I'm going to like them. I wish this stupid Hummingbird would just have a heart attack or something...

adi

11/18/2013 04:45 pm

wow, half a percent from 15.4 to 15.9 .. shock. natural fluctuations.

Ahmad Raza

11/18/2013 04:46 pm

Yes, There was an update.. I noticed traffic fluctuation for one of my website that day..

Drew

11/18/2013 04:54 pm

We didn't have much change in traffic, but we had a huge jump in SERP position. Admittedly, we had a reconsideration request accepted about two weeks ago, but we went from page 10 to midway on page two for our core term. Didn't see much other change, though.

PatrickR

11/18/2013 04:55 pm

Have one site with a crazy spike in URLs receiving entrances via search, but no corresponding change in traffic (actually down a percent or two week over week) and drop in SERP for a couple of bread and butter search terms.

Brendon Rowe

11/18/2013 05:17 pm

Its definitely content related

davidfricks

11/18/2013 06:18 pm

Magic 8 Ball: Signs point to yes

Nick

11/18/2013 07:42 pm

On Friday the 15th had increase in Google bots crawling, Sat+Sun was relatively calm. However today Google Bots are crawling non-stop.

Tired

11/18/2013 08:14 pm

Trying to stay up-to-date with algorithm updates is exhausting. There's always flux. Adhere to best practices, be as genuine as you can in content creation and link building efforts, and hope for the best.

James R. Halloran

11/18/2013 08:39 pm

Why do I imagine a flock of birds fleeing from danger when I read "chatter" in this article? I suppose Google's begun to knock down some hollow sites now and the people harboring on these shallow sites are crying because they can't do their same old "black hat" SEO and rank anymore. I never hear any person doing legitimate content-focused work complain about Google.

MARK again

11/18/2013 09:29 pm

Blah Blah Blah Blah...Search for my name in Google. I am "White Hat SEO Guru'. I can bring your site to first position in Google. Even my uncle works there. Everyone else is snake oil salesman.

Greg Fowler

11/18/2013 09:33 pm

@Marie, I would believe it would be content related since I have tracked the links made sure minimal link building, if any, was done...and it was interesting to note that sites with more aggressive link building are doing better. At least for now. Weird.

Greg Fowler

11/18/2013 09:40 pm

Definitely advising all of my clients to rely on every form of traffic. In fact, I would make it a game plan to only rely on 10 percent coming from Google so if your site does take a nose dive it doesn't matter. Relying on organic Google traffic anymore (no matter how great the site) is too much of a risk.

Jan Dunlop

11/18/2013 10:10 pm

Something happening for us - started on the 14th, has been increasing every day since, nice to see as its usually the other way.

osman musa

11/18/2013 10:57 pm

Yeah i had a major drop of 90% traffic, if you recall Barry I posted comment about major traffic drop for my site on one of your other pages on seroundtable.com exactly at that time. My loss was so major I thought I was for sure screwed for good until 4 days later when I returned to normal traffic.

Dr. Pete

11/19/2013 12:36 am

Working on a more in-depth write-up, but a number of people have mentioned a DNS error appear in GWT for their sites on 11/14, and I'm seeing it on one of our sites as well. I'm trying to sort out if there was a technical glitch at Google that impacted the index temporarily. If that was the case, it's possible that the rankings changes were short term and people who check periodically didn't see anything. Pinged Matt about the DNS issue, but no word yet.

Dr. Pete

11/19/2013 12:43 am

A couple of comments - first, that's a 0.5% absolute change, but it's a 3.2% relative increase. Also, the average 1-day change for the past 30 days (not counting that day) was 0.08% (absolute, not relative). Historically, this is a large one-day jump in the amount of real-estate the top 10 domains occupy.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 01:07 am

Ok, we got it - you can ping Matt !!! Just out of curiosity, what reply do you expect ? Do you at least understand, that if even Google had kind of the problem with the DNS error reports, then there was no way it could affect index ? These are two totally unrelated things (at least on the short run). Or it doesn't matter for you, because you just need to spam yourself no matter what ... ?

Shaun

11/19/2013 01:14 am

We track a handful of terms daily with Advanced Web Ranking and saw a number of drops in between the time the tool grabbed results on the 14th and 15th. We also received DNS errors on the 14th (unreachable and timeout). We had no DNS errors leading up to the 14th and have had none since the 14th. The terms that dropped have inched up a little in the days after so hopefully that continues.

Durant Imboden

11/19/2013 01:41 am

If there was a content-related update, is it over, or is it still going on? (Last June, Google announced that future Panda updates would be rolled out over 10 days or so each month.)

Yo Mamma

11/19/2013 02:04 am

Use an on your shirt mike too much echo, they're cheap and sit father back - in ur vids

Gary

11/19/2013 02:08 am

Nice promotion dude...try something creative

MARK again

11/19/2013 02:26 am

Gary, you are not even aware that my reply to him was sarcastic. I feel pity for your employer or clients.

Dr. Pete

11/19/2013 02:44 am

I wasn't name-dropping - I was just saying that I'm trying to get clarification. Only said it out loud because, truthfully, Barry has a much better track record of getting Matt to reply than I do. A DNS issue at large scale could absolutely affect the index. If Google had a technical problem that caused them to fail to resolve host records, they could interpret that as a site outage and potentially de-index sites temporarily. That's speculative, but it's possible. The fact that many of these warnings seem to be false alarms also indicates that something failed on Google's end. I'm simply trying to connect the dots.

Stuart David

11/19/2013 02:47 am

They said they dont drop people from the index for small errors such as DNS or 'cannot reach site', Matt said if it goes on for a while you may then see effect and your serps drop. As far as i am aware most people with large sites only experienced the error over a 30 minute window (around 2% error rate) There is a Google webmasters video on this whole thing saying they don't knee jerk to these errors until its shown that its going on for an extended period of time.

Dr. Pete

11/19/2013 02:51 am

All I'm suggesting is that, if Google had an error big enough to cause false alarms across multiple sites, it could have repercussions. If something went wrong, then their normal operating procedures don't necessarily apply. Again, I'm trying to piece together the puzzle. It could be a coincidence.

Stuart David

11/19/2013 02:57 am

They had a similar thing happen maybe 12-16 weeks ago where the DNS failed out as well, also the response times are so varied because of different origin addresses, I think they don't knee jerk on small sets of incorrect data, mark on the curve, because of these inevitable system fails. Highly doubt has anything to do with the DNS error, I'd drop that line for sure.

Dr. Pete

11/19/2013 03:01 am

I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's all-or-none. Last year (April 16, 2012), they had that bug that mistakenly classified a large set of domains as parked and a bunch of people complained of rankings losses very quickly thereafter. I think Google generally handles these things pretty well, but they're not infallible.

Barry Schwartz

11/19/2013 03:02 am

It will be hard for me to get an answer on this.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 03:05 am

"That's speculative, but it's possible." This is not speculative, but just total BS. As far as I understand you're not the first year in this business. I can't believe you don't know, that this is absolutely impossible. Spam doesn't make you look more professional or helpful.

Barry Schwartz

11/19/2013 03:07 am

To be fair, I did use Dr. Pete's mozcast as the source for this post.

Dr. Pete

11/19/2013 03:09 am

How is this spam? Barry quoted data I'm directly involved in, so I'm providing some additional information. Not sure why you went from zero to hostile in 5 seconds, and I'll let the audience decide who's being unprofessional here.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 03:11 am

Bunch of people are complaining of rankings losses 24/7 all year round. Please provide proof, that allowed you to connect these two things - possible bug and rankings losses.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 03:16 am

This is clear spam because there is NO WAY DNS error can affect Index in such short period of time. If it wouldn't be you, I would say nothing. But I'm absolutely sure you know this. If you know, but still post such stupid speculations, then I don't see any other explanation than spam.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 03:19 am

Barry, you know how do I like SEOs, selling speculations to uneducated "Durants" ) Nothing personal. Just facts )

RobL

11/19/2013 03:37 am

Amazes me that most people don't understand how to calculate simple relative changes in percentages. Reminds me of the tax increase debates. Talking heads kept saying that a tax increase from 35% to 39.6% was "just" 4.6%; it's actually a 13.1% increase.

RevueHebergementWeb

11/19/2013 12:36 pm

Our website has been hit once again... once again We couldn't figure out the problem!!!

Roger King

11/19/2013 12:55 pm

If there was any update 1. Traffic dropped 2. Keyword Ranking improved for some keywords 3. Bounce Rate decreased

Jérôme Verstrynge

11/19/2013 01:16 pm

Facts: Dr. Pete is not selling anything here, just giving an opinion and trying to help out. If you have been tricked by a SEO, what gives you the right to take it out on others?

James

11/19/2013 01:35 pm

It is not spam and it makes a refreshing change to have experts like Dr Pete post here, rather than the inane rubbish that certain people spout.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 01:49 pm

Facts : I was never tricked by a SEO. False information can't help anyone, except the one who spread it.

Barry Schwartz

11/19/2013 01:52 pm

I am going to look into these DNS issues http://www.seroundtable.com/google-dns-errors-17696.html I agree, I doubt it has an impact on the November 14th stuff but maybe the tools had issues scraping Google? :) I’ll see what I can find out.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 01:58 pm

Expert wouldn't spread obviously misleading information.

Nick Ker

11/19/2013 02:23 pm

I think the "rule" among some people around here is "if you don't clearly state your belief that Google is out to destroy small business and hates SEO, you are selling something"

Nick Ker

11/19/2013 02:26 pm

Dr Pete is one of the main sources of data for this article. How is it spam if he shows up to try to clarify? Did he drop a link to something and I missed it?

EcommSiteOwner

11/19/2013 02:57 pm

I had the same message in webmaster tools about the site being unreachable due to a DNS error on the 14th. Same here, we didn't have any DNS errors.... ? strange. The traffic has not changed at all.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 02:57 pm

Read below before reply.

crystallBall Reader

11/19/2013 03:00 pm

I ran a crystall ball and it said that JustConsumer is the next Mat Cuttes.

Simon Sedorenko

11/19/2013 03:06 pm

Also received a DNS error message from Google on the 14th Nov. I use GetStat and a large proportion of our rankings have been extremely erratic over the past few weeks. Anywhere from page one to not even in the top 100 search results in some instances. Something is/has been going on.

Amelia Vargo

11/19/2013 03:09 pm

It's not spam IMHO.

EcommSiteOwner

11/19/2013 03:09 pm

and also I just noticed in WMT that on the 13th the site had a huge spike in pages crawled ... it's actually showing off the chart topping at 6,000 pages and the average amount of pages crawled is usually around 2,500.

Nick Ker

11/19/2013 03:39 pm

Well, I re-read the thread and now I understand. You keep using the word "spam" but I don't think it means what you think it means. Or did I miss the announcement that spam now means "relevant, appropriate, informed opinion from a respected source of the data in the article"? Let me check... nope, spam definition has not changed: http://goo.gl/s4um12 He may or may not be correct, but he's no spammer.

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 04:22 pm

Spam = " irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients." Message posted by Dr.Pete is barely relevant and totally inappropriate, because it is misleading. This is my personal opinion about this message and I have full right to announce it. Furthermore, as mentioned Stuart David below, misleading nature of Dr.Pete's statement was proved far ago by Googlers. I don't see any reason not to trust them in this case. If you believe his message is not misleading and Googlers are liars, then you'd better provide evidences, that DNS error or bug in reports can affect rankings in short period of time, because Dr.Pete can't provide any. re : "Well, I re-read the thread and now I understand." Next time try to read BEFORE posting. Then you'll not look like another name-dropper )

Richie

11/19/2013 05:10 pm

So, I've noticed fluctuations in rankings in a few sites, some for better, some for worse. I take the point that this may be a content/Panda refresh that is rolled out over a period of a few days. I too noticed a high amount of DNS messages via GWT, many seemed to focus on the canonical version of the URL (adjusting non-www for www, etc.).

RobL

11/19/2013 06:21 pm

The Google Spam Team needs to take a very close look at the hacking/redirect issue. I see more and more hacked pages ranking, and the recent update made it worse. For the phrase [Bad Credit Personal Loans] I see FOUR hacked pages from some electric/power website ranking on page 2 of the SERPS. I see other hacked pages from different websites on page 3 and higher. Even hacked pages from Berkeley's website are ranking for this phrase and numerous other phrases in this niche. All of these hacked pages do an immediate redirect to spammy lead generation forms. Please, Google, do something about this mess so everyone has a fair chance!

Barry Schwartz

11/19/2013 07:01 pm

Hi All, I got a comment from Google on the DNS/updates end. They said, "we're not seeing anything unusual on our end." Sorry folks.

ET

11/19/2013 07:36 pm

We also had DNS issues on the 14th, and the traffic drop + declined rankings followed today...Seems rather correlated, isn't it? Any thoughts or ideas anyone?

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 08:38 pm

Hi Barry) The fact is, that no one sees anything unusual except those, who always see something unusual and Mozcast expert, trying to monetize on them ))

Cristina

11/19/2013 09:09 pm

Unfortunately we had a huge drop, only 1/3 of the usual number of visitors are now on the site (~70% drop). And it's strange, because on our niche we was on the top in the last 9 years without any strange fluctuation. This on all our major keywords. Now we hardly see our pages on the 1'st google page. Any tip on this would be a great help :)

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 09:18 pm

URL is a must, if you want to get something more, than vague theories from SEO experts. But even with the URL provided don't expect too many tips in post Panda world. Everything is very complicated and unique.

d3mon187

11/19/2013 09:22 pm

That kind of scares me that they wouldn't know anything about a DNS issue. I also had a 2% error rate on the same day as everyone else. GoDaddy handles my DNS, so maybe the problem was there? Still, if any others have a different provider, then it's likely on Google's end, and probably due to overload with the crazy amount of crawling they were doing that day. If they don't have tools to track that, or even ones to let them know when major providers are having problems, then that seems pretty bad to me. As for on the updates end, something definitely happened (whether it was automated or not), but no surprise that Google wouldn't admit it.

Cristina

11/19/2013 09:27 pm

Just added in my profile. Hope that you can see it. One thing I'm wondering. We provide the quote of the day and we have the JavaScript code on hundreds of sites and blogs. Under the quote it's a link to the quote's category and author. Do you think that this could be an issue?

JustConsumer

11/19/2013 09:53 pm

One thing I can tell you for sure - you can't lose 70% of traffic just because of the link(s) under the quote, if you have health enough website. Means you didn't spam links, it has easy to read structure, there are no shallow pages, you see that visitors return to you, etc etc etc ... If your website is in good condition, then it's not so easy to affect it. I'd suggest you to dig deeper, than just blame "quote of the day". As I can see right away it takes some time to load it (it's not very bad, but could be better) and many affiliate links. If most of your pages are loaded with the affiliate links, then this is definitely not good. Anyway, you have complicated website and you'll not get good tips on the run in the thread, like this one. Deep analyze is required. I'd suggest you to take your time and do it. There are no quick solutions anymore. Good luck )

Cristina

11/19/2013 10:08 pm

Thank you very much JustConsumer for your time and advises. We didn't do any SEO for this site in the last 5 years. So, it's a strange and suddenly traffic change for us. We will do a deep analyse and see if we can find something and improve it.

Z_Lauren_Z

11/19/2013 10:33 pm

Seems about right - my site basically fell off the map towards the end of July after ranking VERY WELL as of this past Sunday/Monday I'm almost back to where I was this past June. Traffic up 40% and back to page one for most of my KWs

Durant Imboden

11/19/2013 11:24 pm

Barry, the best way to handle trolls is with the Delete button.

Matt Dimock

11/19/2013 11:52 pm

@JustConsumer:disqus: The only spam I see on this comment thread is your nonsensical nonsense. Tell you what; I have another word of the day for you - "troll". Since you seem to have a dictionary on hand, I'll let you piece together the context in which I speak. Anyway, moving back to the topic at hand - how about you stop your incessant whining and contribute to the discussion. Dr. Pete was giving his opinion on something he felt could be causing the data fluctuations picked up by MULTIPLE sources. Whether or not it correlates is to be determined. Yes, there is a recent Google Webmaster video where Matt Cutts discusses how Google doesn't immediately de-index websites that are down for a bit, but he DID NOT clarify what the timeline was. And unless I missed something, the chatter in this thread is suggesting people have been seeing fluctuations for weeks now. I personally have noticed fluctuations for my 150+ local clients starting in early November, with notably larger gains from 11/11 - 11/14. Furthermore, this Google Groups thread (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/1aJOT8XwQmE), which @rustybrick:disqus himself was apart of, has confirmation from Vanessa Fox, stating that Google WILL de-index a page if Google repeatedly crawls a page that appears to stay down. In fact, just last week I had a client whose rogue webmaster changed their websites DNS info. And sure as shit, their home page was de-indexed very quickly by Google. Their home page ranked for the majority of their "money" keywords; want to guess how that affected their Google organic impressions? They saw a -43% decrease.

Matt Dimock

11/19/2013 11:54 pm

Heard dat! :)

Matt Dimock

11/19/2013 11:56 pm

Debbie downer strikes again...

Philippe Allaire

11/20/2013 12:08 am

Lost 80% of traffic today. I think I may give up, everytime an update happens one of my sites go down, never up lol. Now I'm running out of sites and patience.

JustConsumer

11/20/2013 12:12 am

What happened ? Your boss refused to pay you bonus ? Don't be upset. You're lucky guy, comparing to other SEOs. You're fluent in plumbing and definitely will be able to start from scratch. Just don't give up )

Matt Dimock

11/20/2013 12:17 am

Cristina: JustConsumer is right about something, for a change. Your site is very complex, and chances are there won't be any freebies handed out in these comments that will cure your ailment. However, the best advice I can give you is to review the webmaster guidelines (https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en). I would recommend making a checklist (I'd use excel for flexibility reasons, in case you have to document a lot of data) for each of the design and content, technical and quality guidelines Google has listed on their above link. Then cross-reference those against your site. Notate where (if at all) your site violates any of the webmaster guidelines and that should give you better guidance on what may be affecting your site. I can tell you this much though; you backlink profile does appear a tad bit unnatural to me, and only because of the LARGE amount of backlinks coming from a small (in comparison) amount of referring domains. According to www.majesticseo.com, in the past 90 days your site has had 202,841 backlinks crawled, and these links are only coming from 264 unique referring domains. This suggests to me that we're dealing with sitewide links, which in my experience with SEO, tended to be one of the larger correlations for websites which were flagged by the Penguin algorithm (I used to run the link recovery department at www.nationalpositions.com for over a year, and have been doing SEO for over 6 years now on local, ecommerce, local sites - everything). Make sure you check out the link schemes section as well (https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/66356), as you mentioned you have a javascript code on many websites that links back to your site (not sure how you've set it up, but this could potentially be violating their linking quality guidelines - refer to the highlighted section of the attached screenshot for further clarification of how I think you may be in violation). Finally, I would recommend you create a profile at www.google.com/webmasters/tools, if you haven't done so already, and see if there are any errors being report to you. I also want you to check the manual action section of GWT to see if Google has penalized your site. Chances are they haven't if you were receiving that amount of traffic previously, but it's best to cover all bases at this point. Hope any of the above helps you, and good luck!

Matt Dimock

11/20/2013 12:22 am

I know there's sarcasm somewhere in this post, I just can't find it through all of the blaring grammatical errors.

JustConsumer

11/20/2013 12:26 am

"he DID NOT clarify what the timeline was" What about your brain? Do you have it? Can you use it? Or are you blind unless someone will point you the exact time frame? Is it possible for you to run an experiment by yourself or your boss doesn't allow you to touch the server ? "I personally have noticed fluctuations for my 150+ local clients starting in early November, with notably larger gains from 11/11 - 11/14." If you would have enough experience, then you would know, that fluctuations are 24/7 all year round. Confirmed by Matt Cutts. "Google WILL de-index a page if Google repeatedly crawls a page that appears to stay down" Do an experiment by yourself, then announce your opinion. "I had a client whose rogue webmaster changed their websites DNS info" You see, you have NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. You're talking based on "heard-somewhere" and I'm talking based on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

JustConsumer

11/20/2013 12:29 am

Thank you for the confirmation, but I understood already, that you can't in a lot of cases ))

Matt Dimock

11/20/2013 01:20 am

You literally took everything I said and spun it to suit your needs. And I wonder why I even bother refuting morons like you...

JustConsumer

11/20/2013 02:12 am

Ok ))

osman musa

11/20/2013 03:04 am

I took out a link for my patreon page which asked users to contribute a $1 for us continuing to write tutorials. That link was on every post we had so when I saw a 90% drop in traffic, I took out that link and things returned to normal although I cannot say for a certain if taking out that link did it. I hear that links that look like affiliate links can also cause penalties. Having affiliates links in addition to adsense links can cause a penalty for above the folds ads violation according to what I read from this one popular blogger online. Look at my webmaster tools stats to see just what happened.

osman musa

11/20/2013 03:05 am

Sorry forgot to include dates below.

osman musa

11/20/2013 05:29 am

Never give up and have patience, I was punished 5 times for reasons I don't know but it always manage to lift and return to normal. A war with Spammers by Google and we are the innocent ones in the middle.

Graciousstore

11/20/2013 05:43 am

I did not notice any change in the traffic to my site

Rahul Trivedi

11/20/2013 05:49 am

Did you penalized by penguin 2.1 and in humingbird?

Muhammad Adnan Bashir

11/20/2013 09:06 am

my traffic is shifted from UK/US/CA to Pakistan/India for my site howbees.com . Total traffic is same but due to low quality traffic revenue is decreased.

James

11/20/2013 09:10 am

Well, you have a spam site, promoting illegal activity, which you promote by posting spam links on forums. Congratulations.

Muhammad Adnan Bashir

11/20/2013 09:14 am

What do you mean by Spam? What spam activity or content you find on my site?

Craig Hamilton-Parker

11/20/2013 10:12 am

I know how you feel. The traffic on my sites is a trickle of what it used to be since the very first Panda launch. I've had a few really helpful tips from people on this site but even the top experts giving some cherished help it is still in the pits. Really not fair when you have worked hard to make something good. But don't give up - better search engines will gradually rise and it's good to know some people do eventually recover.

romanUK

11/20/2013 10:48 am

penalised in humingbird (sic!) - yeah right!

ethalon

11/20/2013 12:59 pm

Rahul, please define what you think hummingbird does/did in regards to ranking and possible penalties for any given site.

James

11/20/2013 01:52 pm

I see scraped content, "made for adsense" articles (although not adsense because they won't have you) and advice on how to steal software and movies from bit torrent. Not what Google wants to rank. You posted your URL so I assume you wanted people to look at your site.

judge-dred

11/20/2013 02:08 pm

You say innocent, google says spammer. Google have labeled you a spammer, not collateral damage!!!!

Josh

11/20/2013 09:35 pm

My traffic decrease about 90% on hubpages and about 60% overnight. This is stressing me out.

Rahul Trivedi

11/21/2013 06:37 am

As per my observation, i found that hummingbird affect the whole search queries regarding meta tags.

osman musa

11/21/2013 02:00 pm

James, his site has no DMCA complaint filed against it. No chillingeffects dot org. I see where his problem is but can't tell him as I run a site similar to his so he is like my competitor. Man he has one major problem that is clearly visible at first glance.

ethalon

11/21/2013 02:39 pm

What?

Rahul Trivedi

11/21/2013 03:15 pm

Yes ethalon, i specially analyzed it for plenty of domains. Can you tell what is according to you?

Ashish Ahuja

11/21/2013 07:29 pm

First properly analyse your site, understand the problem and then take measures to tackle the same. If your site is not spammed to death with low quality links then the chances to make is come back is quite bright but understanding the actual problem is the first and key step to start working in the right direction

Ashish Ahuja

11/21/2013 07:33 pm

if this site is the one listed on your disqus profile then it has loads of low quality links

Ashish Ahuja

11/21/2013 07:38 pm

the site in your profile is gaining around 2-3K links per day for last 90 days as per majestic so there is surely something going around the site.

Big Za

11/21/2013 08:35 pm

A couple of our key search terms dropped completely from the rankings - trying to figure out what change hit us!

Random Hubber

11/22/2013 12:09 am

I have the same issue on Hubpages. 60% overnight on 16th and at a standstill.

ethalon

11/22/2013 01:10 pm

No, I meant 'what?', as in, I didn't quite understand what you meant and could you please be more specific or try wording it differently?

Rahul Trivedi

11/22/2013 05:33 pm

I have analyzed SERPs and domains after Hummingbird algo update, Google had given a bit more priority to meta in that algo update. Just because of that change, some of the queries were showing again the old results (Sites with fully optimized meta yet not "GOOGLE" friendly). This was the reason why Google had again rolled out the next version of Penguin to throw out those "BAD" sites. This is my observation.

Passion4FootballManager

11/24/2013 12:55 am

Hey, I'm rather new to SEO and everything. I started blogging august 2012 and for the past half year I've had several keywords on the first page. The 16th of November many of my most important keywords dropped significantly - see also image below. What are the main issues I will need to look at in order to make my site better? Anyone who likes to help me get more knowledge? Maybe point me in the right direction in order to get back to the same amount of search inquiries as in screenshot Thanks for any help!

Moona

11/24/2013 05:12 pm

Please can anyone tell me that whats wrong with my website's backlinks? are they unnatural or ok? please suggest some tip because traffic dropped by 50% after 14th of November,2013... my website "dramastreaming dot com" please if anyone can check my website's health or whatever with majesticseo ..

Robert Mangutl

11/26/2013 05:03 pm

Hi Moona I have checked your backlinks and they are very poor. I would suggest to stop building poor links and focus on the quality ones. Also I have noticed that you have got forum profile backlinks which are not really the best one to be honest. You need high authority backlinks. Having too many directory links won't help either specially if they are coming from a forgotten directory farms with poor authority! Be careful! You have got such a good niche, why don't you write about dramas for 2.0 websites or make plenty youtube trailers which would drive traffic to your website. Hope this one helps!

Robert Mangutl

11/26/2013 05:13 pm

Philippe carefully with the anchor texts, have more brand links :)

Moona

11/27/2013 08:09 am

Thank you Soooo very Much @robertmangutl:disqus for such a good advice.. and would you suggest that should i go with any software for 2.0 websites or do it manually?

Robert Mangutl

11/27/2013 02:27 pm

Hi @disqus_cdkw3lHXW4:disqus yes I would suggest manually. Deffinitely try youtube easy and drives traffic and authority too. I accept an upvote on this :)

rajsingla79

11/28/2013 03:43 am

Please can anyone tell me that whats wrong with my website's back links? please suggest some tip because traffic dropped by 30% after 4 October & 50% after 14th of November,2013... my website "sbglobal dot info" please if anyone can check my website's health ?

Rahul Gupta

11/28/2013 09:39 am

Hi, I m Sr. SEO Expert. I help you, I give you clue that your on page is not correct according to your SEO. Actually, I dont tell u more because i m too busy for looking a job in seo

Barry Schwartz

11/28/2013 11:28 am

Stop spamming my comments.

Subhash Acharya

11/28/2013 12:08 pm

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marius

11/28/2013 10:34 pm

can some one pls tell me what is wrong with my website that droped a lot http://www.anunturi-gratis-online dot com pls, thanks

Cristina

12/02/2013 02:13 pm

Hello, according to this post and mozcast.com on 14.11 there was a change in algorithm. What gone down in 14 rise up in 26.11 (see mozcast.com). I don't really know what kind of change was in google algorithm. You can see the traffic change in the image below.

Cristina

12/02/2013 02:20 pm

Dear Matt Dimock, thank you for your time and comprehensive answer. It was really a surprise to see and read it. I think that not the site was the issue, like i replyed to Rahul Trivedi above. I'll keep in mind your advises and I'll implement ASAP. Thank you again for your goodwill. With gratitude, Cristina

Cristina

12/02/2013 02:23 pm

Thank you Ashish Ahuja, we took your advise and also found useful this post http://www.seroundtable.com/google-nofollow-widget-links-17217.html

Christopher Skyi

12/03/2013 05:40 pm

Do not ever, EVER, use software to build links (if that's what you mean) and the same goes with manual link building, i.e., going out and somehow manually building links on other sites. If you're currently in trouble with Penguin, either of these two activities will be just throwing gasoline on the flames. How to acquire good links is a major topic -- it's not rocket science but it's not, usually, easy work either -- so you'll have to spend some time researching best practices. In the meantime, for more insight into what's a bad link and what NOT to do when it comes to links, check out this excellent article "What We Have Learnt From Google Manual Penalty Bad Link Examples:" davidnaylor.co.uk/what-we-have-learnt-from-google-manual-penalty-bad-link-examples.html

iWrite4U

12/11/2013 09:16 am

I saw the changes. They hit my website hard as can be witnessed from the attached screenshot

Margarita Tijerino

12/29/2013 06:06 pm

impressions significantly dropped (about 90% in couple of day) starting at Novermber 15th 2013 - -- No changes on my end - small local site -www.seattlemusicshows.com - Anyone find resolution for this issue?

James

12/30/2013 06:39 pm

One of my sites (blog) around the 14th took a drop of around 300 visitors a day to about 60-80 and it has held that since only spiking to like 90 one day in a week and falling back down. Looking at the history chart, it was a solid ride and over night it crashed like the stock market did in 2008 and has been riding low. I looked at my traffic source stats and the only number that took a drastic hit was........Google. So they definitely changed something. At first, I thought it was because my host moved the account to a new server but there has been no DNS issues or anything as it was a very fluid pass of the torch from one to the other. That's when I started plugging away at the stats installed to see if there has been a change in one of the traffic sources.

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