Reports Of Another Google Update : September 4th

Sep 4, 2013 • 8:45 am | comments (739) by twitter Google+ | Filed Under Google PageRank & Algorithm Updates
 

google update logoI am seeing some early signs of a possible major Google update currently underway. The chatter has definitely spiked in the early morning hours of today, September 4th.

This comes shortly after an unconfirmed August 21st update. In fact, that update post has well over 250 comments and a bunch of recent ones this morning reporting the update people are seeing this morning.

The WebmasterWorld thread has two new posts this morning and I expect a lot more. Plus I see dozens of threads at Google Webmaster Help Forums with individual complaints in the past several hours.

One WebmasterWorld member said:

Yes we are seeing same in several high traffic sites, about 50% decrease at exactly same time, must be going something very big.

Another preferred member said:

Yep 25% drop here since Thursday 29 Aug. No WMT messages, no idea why. All I can see is that Google has turned up the preference for brands.

Via the comments in our August post:

30% drop in traffic on Aug 24. Another 80% drop in traffic on September 3rd. Google analytics landscape (graph) changed from Mountains to Rivers.

Via one of the threads at Google Webmaster Help forums:

We've noticed this morning that the site's rankings dropped significantly (about 80%). I've checked the manual actions in WMT for a penalty, nothing, I've searched for a major Google Algo update...nothing. I have no idea what's going one, especially that this site is 7 years old, the traffic before this major drop was about between 20k and 30k daily visitors. We've done 0 link spamming and the only thing I found wrong so far is that some spam websites copied our content in full. We've did several DMCA reports on that but that shouldn't be the problem of this major drop. We have no clue what to do.

Something major is going on and I'll see if I can get a comment before I go offline tonight.

Forum discussion at WebmasterWorld & Google Webmaster Help Forums.

Update: Google has nothing to announce. I am sorry.

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Comments:

Rob Kissell

09/04/2013 12:59 pm

2 main non-branded queries went from av. pos of 2&3 to 11&12 on the 30th. More big brand domains brought into the top 10.

SSDHelp

09/04/2013 01:14 pm

Any Idea what this is? We have more visits from Bing than Google so far today. We usually have about 5 times more visits from Google.

Sanjeev Kumar

09/04/2013 01:31 pm

68% traffic has been dropped of my site, I hope this time Google will confirm!

ethalon

09/04/2013 01:35 pm

Rolling Panda update? Isn't this the exact time frame (the first 10-15 days or so) that is to be expected with a monthly panda update?

Sanjeev Kumar

09/04/2013 01:37 pm

I don't think, this is panda update.

SSDHelp

09/04/2013 01:38 pm

penguin? it has been more than 3 months since they released the last penguin refresh

vexx

09/04/2013 01:48 pm

The last quote (unfortunately) belongs to me. We also suspected a Panda update but this looks more Penguin than Panda. The traffic loss is just too big for a site with a good reputation, alot of quality organic links etc. Let's see what Google has to announce in this matter, but this doesn't sound good. I've tested some of the queries we had on the first page in Google, our place and others were taken by blogspot spam website and other crap content...it's very weird.

Sanjeev Kumar

09/04/2013 02:01 pm

Vexx, I don't think google will confirm this time also, as they did not confirm about 20-21st august update.

gregory smith

09/04/2013 02:15 pm

If it's BIG then Google will very likely update the public via Cutts! I wish all of you luck with not getting hit by this (ANOTHER NASTY) update..

Rick

09/04/2013 02:32 pm

We noticed the changes more late last week for one of our sites. I seem to see this a lot. I wonder if Google starts with the bigger sites like us first?

Nihad Pasalic

09/04/2013 02:44 pm

Please see attached images, lots of users are getting this when trying to search. Search location (Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia)

vexx

09/04/2013 02:48 pm

Thanks alot, unfortunately, since we're more than a 1 man company, this will affect us bigtime, if this changes remains for 3-4 months, we'll be forced to let some of them go, close some of our servers etc. Let's see if Google or Cutts will say something about this..thank you for your kind words.

Muhammad Abdurrahman

09/04/2013 02:56 pm

Hopeless

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 03:05 pm

My entire blog (resides in sub directory) has been deranked :( Most posts wont even show in SERP even with exact title match while they are still indexed. Strange thing is my old (static html) site that resides in the root still has very good presence in SERP for important keywords.. I hope this is just some kind of temporary glitch or something ..

David Mercer

09/04/2013 03:11 pm

We were hit so badly in the first update that there is no more traffic to lose in this newest update. From the previous discussion, it seems that the sites most aggressively impacted had changed domain in the last 6 months or so. From what I could tell, a goodly portion of these sites were genuine - with little, if anything, against Google guidelines. Do the sites that are freshly hit share common ground like this?

John Broadbent

09/04/2013 03:12 pm

Que people freaking out. Let's just make sure to be prepared for whatever comes, whenever it does come.

djimbo

09/04/2013 03:24 pm

this is apocalypse, lost 80% on 2 websites, 2 differents countries : Italia & Germany

Rick

09/04/2013 03:28 pm

Big time here as well. Traffic really low, and lots comming from China.. :(

Sita Gabriel

09/04/2013 03:36 pm

My traffic has increase, I don't know what you guys do to your sites.

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 03:40 pm

LOL )) Why genuine website would change domain ?? Genuine website owner does care about the domain recognition and doesn't change it, but develops the existing domain. "with little ... against Google guidelines" Obviously not little enough ))

David Mercer

09/04/2013 03:42 pm

What if your business changed name because you brought on a new partner? Would you keep your old domain name, or redirect it to the new one?

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 03:46 pm

more LOL )))))))))))) Do you at least understand what are you talking about ???? "site that resides in the root still has very good SERP for important keywords" SERP - stands for Search Engine Result Page What does it mean : " site that resides in the root still has very good Search Engine Result Page for important keywords " ??? You'd better play good music ))

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 03:51 pm

yup.. the old site, build as static html resides in the root directory and isn`t affected. The 'new' site/blog is in a sub directory.. Maybe i didnt explain it simple enough for you, i know exactly what i am talking about.. The pages of the old site still rank very well.. And probably my music is still better than my english ;)

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 03:57 pm

If your business would be genuine, as you stated, then no doubt you would develop existing domain ...

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 04:03 pm

So ?

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 04:05 pm

Another SEO Guru was born.

Durant Imboden

09/04/2013 04:08 pm

I'm seeing some fairly radical ups and downs for individual landing pages (more extreme than usual), but overall traffic and Google referrals still look pretty normal,

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 04:09 pm

These after-updates threads are so funny )) Make it coming, Barry )

Alex

09/04/2013 04:22 pm

Google South Africa SERPs are looking like a gypsy-circus ! Def something odd.

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 04:25 pm

LOL spam youtube mp3 rip sites rule the search results

Abdi Mohammed

09/04/2013 04:38 pm

Here we go again!

Karl-Heinz Müller

09/04/2013 04:38 pm

I have to admit. I read the comments only to see if there are contributions from Anti-SEO

john

09/04/2013 04:46 pm

I used to have 5000 + unique visitors daily but after the first update that is august (20/21) i lost around 1000 of my visitors , today i lost 80 % of my traffic today i have just 1000 visitors, every thing seems to be ok WMT , only mistake i could think of is i don't use captcha for comments in my blog but i monitor them and approve comments manually, I hope this is some type of glitch in Google servers

CaptainKevin

09/04/2013 05:07 pm

The headline "Reports Of Another Google Update : September 4th" is misleading. The quotes in the post are from as early as August 24th. I don't see any noticeable changes in the search terms I watch.

Barry Schwartz

09/04/2013 05:07 pm

The quotes are from this morning not from August.

Akshat

09/04/2013 05:07 pm

Hello everybody..WTF is going on ?? I lost 90% of my traffic...

Tijnar

09/04/2013 05:14 pm

Isn't it ironic, every time Google updates its algorithm, I gain traffic..

Sandeep Kumar

09/04/2013 05:17 pm

This normally happen when Google detects unusual traffic from your system.

tranquilito

09/04/2013 05:23 pm

I bet it is Panda

rocketraja

09/04/2013 05:33 pm

SEO Rule no #99999 If there is google update means everyone is disowned by Google. Dont panic.

Fedor

09/04/2013 05:33 pm

Maybe it's a ghost update for them ghost networks our good friend Matt was talking about?

Michael

09/04/2013 05:33 pm

We have a few sites each getting between 50-100k uniques per day. One of those sites lost about 80% of its traffic yesterday at exactly 3:45pm PT. The other sites seem unchanged. Have anyone viewed the Matt Cutts vid he posted on Twitter a few minutes ago? What he is referring to is something our site is that got hit is guilty of. Most notably that our system auto-generates pages for our entire database of products - even ones that won't have any data. We didn't do it with any negative intent - just an oversight. Anybody else with sites that got hit yesterday in a similar situation? Seems more than ironic that Cutts would post the video a few minutes ago if it didn't have anything to do with yesterday's change.

listdose

09/04/2013 05:34 pm

We are ourself seeing a major issue, we have had stable 10K+ uniques and we now see around 2500 uniques...This is certainly something very major and we fail to understand the reason considering we have done absolutely no black hat link building work or anything else.

Michael

09/04/2013 05:35 pm

Sorry - here is the video I referenced above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGCA2I8hfWc

Fedor

09/04/2013 05:40 pm

Really Matt? Who searches for VCRs? Search pages, they have been telling people not to index search results for a very long time.

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 05:40 pm

Absolutely agree with you )

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 05:54 pm

No changes in ranking for my website. For once...

Sanjeev Kumar

09/04/2013 06:21 pm

yes, my dropped sites(68%) also have auto generated pages.

Michael

09/04/2013 06:27 pm

Are there auto-generated pages on your sites that may have no results?

Barry Schwartz

09/04/2013 06:40 pm

Google responded to my request saying they have nothing to announce.

Akshat

09/04/2013 06:44 pm

Then what is it.. Any Idea ?

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 06:53 pm

This is interesting question. Suppose website consists from pages 1,2,3. Server is configured to serve pages 1,2,3 accordingly. How would you call the guy, making abnormal requests to the server and producing abnormal server responses, like pages 1a,2a,3a, then 1b,2b,3b and so on ???? I would call this guy - hacker. Why Google does this ? I'm pretty sure, that 95% of pages Matt Cutts is talking about, were produced as the result of abnormal requests by Google bots. At least on my website it happened because of Google abnormal activity. And even two years later after I had to take actions against such hac.......... abnormal activity, Google still uses abnormal (hacked?) URLs, trying to get abnormal responses from my server. What kind of activity by don't-make-evil company is this ? In the same time ... ALL major retailers serve pages like "no results, see similar". Means these servers intentionally configured to serve pages even they don't have information you requested. Why is this done? To provide good user experience or to get visitor no matter what? I don't know for sure. But what I know for sure is, that Google doesn't see such pages as spam and constantly shows them in the SERPs tops.

LOVE

09/04/2013 07:04 pm

Once and for all. Let's put it to rest. First, Google runs link analysis (Panda rerun, SAPE sort-through, etc.) This stage is important to run because it adjusts the trust metrics and gets everything ready for the Panda rerun. The first stage will throw many sites out so there's less work for Panda's 2% or whatever it percentage it can chew. Here you have it. Stop guessing. I even said too much because the smart ones will pick up more from this few lines and God bless you.

Sam Youssef

09/04/2013 08:14 pm

What you just mentioned "LOVE" is completely false .. 2 completely different properties of ours have been hit, one yesterday and the other back in March. Has anything been confirmed on the auto-generated search pages..? We do that as well but have relevant content on each page we decide to index and no empty result page...

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:22 pm

Seems like pages are coming back in SERP. Not on page 1 but now on page 2-4 and it seems the tag and category archives have more weight than posts in SERP at the moment.

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:34 pm

You don't set your archive pages to nofollow? Edit: I meant "noindex"

Ana

09/04/2013 08:35 pm

I did this comment on another post but this one is more up to date. "I want to report drop in traffic from google (yahoo and bing are same), yesterday on my blog I had 400 from google today just 100..."

Sam Youssef

09/04/2013 08:37 pm

I have noticed our tag pages having higher SERPs then the actual posts.. I just don't understand .. At the end of the line Google is a business that acts as they please and what they judge appropriate for them. It's not as much as an equilibrium and logical space as people think.

Rich

09/04/2013 08:38 pm

UK here. Solid whitehat ecommerce site got knocked down at 7pm GMT. Biggest hit ive ever had. This isnt good.

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:40 pm

I think it's too soon to draw a conclusion. Let's see how are things in a day or two.

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:40 pm

No, shouldn't archive/tag pages be indexed just like posts etc?

addz123

09/04/2013 08:40 pm

Looks like EMD refresh to me. It's likely that sites hit by 1st EMD update cannot come back (just like Penguin). Also, been thinking maybe Google basically stops assessing sites that have been hit by Penguin/EMD because chucking those sites out reduces the workload for the computers since they can ignore all of those sites on future algo refreshes.

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:42 pm

25% isn`t that bad..

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:42 pm

No because you end up with lots of duplicated content. Some webmasters choose to let the first page of each archive be indexed but you're better off noindex-ing them all in my opinion.

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:43 pm

Anyway, do you want your posts to rank or your archives? That should answer your question ;-)

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:44 pm

yeah my posts, but i thought of the archives as a nice little extra for SERP.. Got to admit i`m kinda new to this blog thing (2 months tops).

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:45 pm

Just do your own search on the subject, I'm pretty sure you'll set you categories/archive pages to noindex after that :)

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:46 pm

with duplicate content you mean the indexes of the archives? you are probably right, got to research a little :). But for now i`m happy some parts of my blog are still (kinda) ranked. And my old html parts of the site are still fully ranked (how's that possbile)

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:48 pm

By the way, I looked at your site and your archive pages have more content than your individual posts which are very thin (no offense).

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:49 pm

What is the site?

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:50 pm

yeah after reading into all the pengiun panda google drama i realised my articles are pretty thin.. i try to post the very latest and best music in the genre and provide legal download (affiliate) links. sometimes there is jus not that much to say about a song :).

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:50 pm

Thin content + affiliate links = you're in for a traffic drop sooner or later.

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:52 pm

Sure there is stuff to say about a song. Who produce it, where it was recorded, who played on it, what it means, who did the video, how it ranked up the charts, etc.

Rich

09/04/2013 08:52 pm

Devaluing EMDs then?

Guest

09/04/2013 08:53 pm

that was what i was afraid of.. and honestly the affiliate links dont make a lot, almost nothing in this music genre.. So i might just want to focus on posting music and loose the legal download links ;). I dont have expierence with google updates but would i be too late for that?

Sam Youssef

09/04/2013 08:54 pm

May be part of this update but EMD would not have affected us whatsoever. Google definitely profiles sites at the very least since the last Penguin update..

DJKaas.com

09/04/2013 08:55 pm

Most of the music i publish hasn`t been released yet and will probably never hit the charts :). I try to add producer and if it is released or gonna be released in (digital) stores. This musical genre is kind of different from other, maybe ;)

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:56 pm

I gotta say lots of EMD have dropped significantly in my niche (web hosting)

Guest

09/04/2013 08:57 pm

The Traffic Drop only for all EMD. Google Strike again

Stephany Weber

09/04/2013 08:58 pm

My Traffic Drop only for all my EMD's. Google Strike again!

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 08:58 pm

It's never too late but if you ever get hit by a Panda Update, you'll have to wait until the next update to recover (if you do recover). Now I'm not saying this is a Panda update at all, I just say you gotta be careful with thin content and affiliate links.

Ana

09/04/2013 08:58 pm

You mean 25% left isn't bad or what?

Stephane Brault

09/04/2013 09:00 pm

Affiliate marketer I'm guessing?

Guest

09/04/2013 09:01 pm

thnx for the advice (y) getting rid of the aff links, and see if i now and then can squeeze out some more words :)

Rich

09/04/2013 09:08 pm

It's an EMD, i.e golfclubs.com (not the site, just an example) Solid market leader and niche focused. Now guess who's above, ebay, amazon and a fucking corporation. Suprise suprise.

Rich

09/04/2013 09:17 pm

I'm going to get very fucking drunk. See ya.

Maya

09/04/2013 09:25 pm

I have also noticed a very big drop in all search engines, not just in Google. (80% less traffic). I don`t have an EMD site but I am building an authority site, currently age 5 months. All posts are unique and of an average of 800-1000 words, so even more. Just useful stuff, never used any "shortcuts"to increase rankings, no automated submissions posts in directories, no spammy backlinks. Only 2 posts of 30 have affiliate links, so this in not the cause of the traffic drop. No notifications in the webmaster tool, no crawl errors,..nothing! I just don`t understand why my site has been hit. Hope to get back in some days, because I really put a lot of effort in this.

Ana

09/04/2013 09:28 pm

I don't see what is wrong with golfclubs.com and why they aren't on 1st page for Golf Clubs in the SERPS

Rich

09/04/2013 09:34 pm

Because they're not eBay or Amazon. ie. http://internetassociation.org/ Practically a cartel. "The game is rigged man" (Bodie, HBO's The Wire)

Eemes

09/04/2013 09:42 pm

Well i can see that the keywords which were ranking on aug 21 has gone down. It seems google has been fine tuning again with the traffic. I don't know but i always feel google has some power with the traffic, like it can sway from one side to another. Its like pulling back all the traffic from organic search.

Eemes

09/04/2013 09:43 pm

Yes its there normal experiments which they had been done on August 21, They just reversed it back.

Eemes

09/04/2013 09:44 pm

Man that's what i hate. On aug 21 there was a huge traffic, it was an experiment and now they have just reversed it back

Guest

09/04/2013 09:52 pm

On Sept. 4, 1998, Larry Page and Sergey Brin filed for incorporation as Google Inc. — they had received a $100,000 check from an investor made out to Google, Inc., and needed to incorporate that name so they could legally deposit the check. ... perhaps they are having a party and the Panda, the Penguin and the rest of such algo animals there are totally drunk by now haha. Jokes a part 20 sites from mountains to rivers today starting yesterday with an average of 50% loss .. all english sites, other languages are just fine. All sites are different, no EMDs, no blakhats, some of them with less than 10 links, some news, some with more than a year, some with more than 5 years... all affected... for the moment no clue

osman musa

09/04/2013 09:57 pm

Today september 4, i see a spike in impressions/click increase in Adsense and a mountain in Analytics. It's interesting Barry wrote this article today saying there is an update today because I notice major ranking improvements in keywords and my site is small. I wonder if there is a new pagerank update or something. My site is called tech live wire btw

Guest

09/04/2013 09:57 pm

On Sept. 4, 1998, Larry Page and Sergey Brin filed for incorporation as Google Inc. — they had received a $100,000 check from an investor made out to Google, Inc., and needed to incorporate that name so they could legally deposit the check. ... perhaps they are having a party and the Panda, the Penguin and the rest of such algo animals there are totally drunk by now haha. Jokes a part 20 sites from mountains to rivers today starting yesterday with an average of 50% loss .. all english sites, other languages are just fine. All sites are different, no EMDs, no blakhats, some of them with less than 10 links, some news, some with more than a year, some with more than 5 years... all affected... for the moment no clue ... (almost forgot) half has Adsense.. Adsense drops acording to the drop of traffic) 5 sites has affilate links 4 doesn´t have any affiliate or adsense links or ads

osman musa

09/04/2013 09:58 pm

What surprises me is that prior to today my traffic drop from august 22nd stayed leveled and same until today September 4th.

Anti-SEO

09/04/2013 10:01 pm

20+ sites in different languages and niches and you don't have clue ... ?? Then you're just clueless ))

Durant Imboden

09/04/2013 10:24 pm

Location-based EMDs continue to rank well for the searches that I watch (even when the results are dreadful).

Durant Imboden

09/04/2013 10:27 pm

Sounds reasonable. Google's Webmaster Guidelines discourage automatically-generated content. Why not simply block such pages from Googlebot?

donniedarko

09/04/2013 10:39 pm

My traffic has dropped by about 75% today (September 4th) - definitely something awry here.

AnnaAbi.ee

09/04/2013 10:39 pm

75% drop is HUGE

Rise of the Sapes

09/04/2013 11:40 pm

seeing tons of emd's still ranking-- must be link+emd related

rise of the sapes

09/04/2013 11:43 pm

I saw this last year, a preview update or test rollout - 8-24-13- then old serps came back- like a rollback- then a big update hits a week later,, usually before a holiday weekend,,this time after.. results messed up for a week or two,,then it goes back to a normal mode,,, buy more adwords is the hidden message

Rise of the Sapes

09/04/2013 11:59 pm

This happens all the time, right before or close to when a quarter ends. It's the perfect business model, screw up the organic searches and move em to adwords. Everything will be back to to normal - or close to normal towards the end of sept,, just watch.

Todd

09/05/2013 01:33 am

We have tested, If you had a solid back-link profile your ranking will not fluctuate. Its the inconsistency of the website's links that is not stable, eg your profile must show both diversity and contextualization.

Guest

09/05/2013 02:00 am

I don't know but i always feel google has some power with the traffic, like it can sway from one side to another. Its like pulling back all the traffic from organic search. http://www.rodexmovers.com/

Maru

09/05/2013 03:21 am

Yes, Some of my clients sites are dropped in traffic. Maru, www.inhabitblog.com

TootlessWonderS OtW

09/05/2013 03:22 am

#ISOOSI http://www.isoosi.com/search-results.html?e=google&q=Vertical%20search%20works &VerticalSearchWorks ......MARKETING!!!

Soni Sharma

09/05/2013 04:18 am

I have noticed 5% drop in traffic in few sites while few gained 7 to 8% but I don't think its a major update.

Bijutoha

09/05/2013 04:29 am

One of my sites (www.clippingpathspecialist.com) has been taken a good result by this Update I know that's the good news for me,and Google noticed me on some Issues of my sites before updating. but I am confused on 7 years old site's rankings dropped significantly (about 80%) without noticed . How is this possible ? I think Google should monitor about it carefully .

Bijutoha

09/05/2013 04:33 am

May be you read my mind , but what do you think about 80% rankings drops ?

52web-analytics

09/05/2013 04:36 am

Since August 29th, two of my foreign trade B2B website (http://www.weiku.com, http://www.gtradeinfo.com) traffic fell 11%, respectively, but not sure what is the reason, the site itself didn't do anything to modify

Bijutoha

09/05/2013 04:52 am

Just having given my special keyword I saw my site SERP is pretty good by "Isoosi" , but in the meantime, I saw another result by Google . Could you give some explanation for better understanding ?

Prashant

09/05/2013 05:18 am

same thing also happen with my site slightly more than 80% down (per day 1200 unique visits to 140 visits.)

Dian Ribut Riski

09/05/2013 05:19 am

My site traffic dropped 2 days ago, but yesterday it's increase again.

Ken

09/05/2013 06:01 am

Yes, there is certain level of traffic down.

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 07:02 am

Seems like the SERP been set a month or more back, old pages still ranked all new (thin) blog posts nowhere to be found but still indexed

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 08:00 am

May be the people screaming for traffic loss they followed google's new link guide lines now paying for it...

Mad

09/05/2013 08:03 am

I have also an increase in vistits without other reasons.

Me

09/05/2013 08:08 am

what do u mean?

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 08:09 am

they followed new link guideline by google and they got hit in this update...

Ryo Jeo

09/05/2013 08:45 am

my blog is lose traffict 70% in september 4, (http://www.ryojeo.com/2013/08/ciptojunaedy.html ) i am panic, and it turns out this is all due to google being big update.

guy

09/05/2013 08:47 am

september, lot of negative seo on high traffic sites, new google update take off up to 80% of traffic without reason. When webmasters will understand what google need $$$ and improve their financial reports, and they not need any quality in search results and all what matt cutts tell us is just "i want to save some part of public image of company where i work".

guy

09/05/2013 08:49 am

looks like something more huge is going on.

guy

09/05/2013 08:53 am

it because google penalize even for commas & grammar. ugs is allowed in limited amounts and on forums only.

guy

09/05/2013 08:59 am

google even love to index own search snippets, bing & baidu search results, broken css validator links, etc. Also it love to add session to php scripts params, not because it used in script, but someone one time used it when typed url directly in url bar.

guy

09/05/2013 09:03 am

genuine website owner not cares about money, traffic, and google penalties. isn't it? ;)

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 09:13 am

How understanding of this can help anyone ? Obviously it didn't help you, if you lost traffic.

taha ali

09/05/2013 09:17 am

90% Traffic gone :/ ..... I just started earning some money for studies :/

Craig Hamilton-Parker

09/05/2013 09:33 am

How nice it would be to take away 90% of Google's traffic over night on a whim about links, thin content and other veiled excuses.

guy

09/05/2013 09:51 am

that page see all spammers

guy

09/05/2013 09:54 am

really it helps. it help to understand what long-time strategies not work with google even if you follow their rules. but it tell us to look more closely into short-time strategies.

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 09:56 am

reasonable ...

Cambiare vita

09/05/2013 09:58 am

My site got advantages by this changes, I saw an increment of organic visits!

Sele

09/05/2013 10:08 am

Meh SEO aint fun anymore

Rich

09/05/2013 10:12 am

You must be Ebay or Amazon then?

Niels Bosch

09/05/2013 10:18 am

Same here

grrrrr

09/05/2013 10:24 am

Average of 10,000 visitors a day down to 3,000 here

ThomasL1

09/05/2013 10:26 am

This is unreal how one company has so much control. My web site has stayed steady in terms of traffic WWW.thesalesexpertusa.ccom

TimMH

09/05/2013 10:47 am

Fortunately no big changes took place for me so far... will wait and see when another test gets run before panicing too much :o)

whatever

09/05/2013 10:49 am

Search traffic growing slowly until yesterday (Sept 4th), where 75% of my traffic disapeared ! Didn't do any update on the site since 4 month, had no alert, no server down, nothing ! it's all of a sudden ! This is extremely frustrating !!!

smith

09/05/2013 10:54 am

Yes, something is definitely on... I've got 30% dropdown on Sep the 4-th.

Marius

09/05/2013 11:08 am

The same to me... Google traffic dropped by 75% yesterday... And still don't have any idea what caused this problem...

SEO Expert - Rahul Trivedi

09/05/2013 11:23 am

I didn't see any update yet. Didn't see any movement in traffic of search engine.

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 11:46 am

I dont' think because none of my client effected..

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 11:56 am

What is your site?

James

09/05/2013 11:57 am

Dodgy link building and thin content are not whimsical, they are techniques used by spammers, so bravo Google.

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 11:58 am

Lots of people complaining about traffic drop yet very few will post their website which leads only to speculation...

Craig Hamilton-Parker

09/05/2013 12:05 pm

Some content does not need to be in the form of a presidential address - forums for example or your post just then - and we cannot really control who links to us. Google punishes sites that get organic traffic - they now own the Internet.

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 12:06 pm

How people will blame others (Google in the first hand) then ?

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 12:10 pm

There is no such thing as "organic traffic". Google gets direct visits and can do with them what it wants. This is Google's traffic.

Iztok Mravlja

09/05/2013 12:14 pm

I got -75% as well, I did have some linking problems (domain/subdomain by accident), which I've only noticed/fixed in the last couple of days. Too late, it would seem.

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 12:21 pm

@Anti-SEO because people lost their traffic from google. So why don't blame google?

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 12:27 pm

And why Google must share traffic with these people ? Does Google has kind of the obligations ?

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 12:30 pm

Then why google running a search engine. They should run other paid tools only if they are looking for only revue.

guy

09/05/2013 12:36 pm

but soon it will traffic of some another search engine...

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 12:36 pm

Google runs search engine to get direct visits.

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 12:39 pm

Probably. I will not be upset. But will be really surprised.

guy

09/05/2013 12:39 pm

yes. you can read google webmaster guidelines and check dictionary what is search engine. However google is not search engine anymore, it give false promises to webmasters (any matt cutts videos) and now it "lottery" & "penalization" engine

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 12:46 pm

Well, then have partnership with dictionary ) You can call Google as you want, but regular people type google.com in their browsers, not AnyWebsiteName.com Denying of the reality will not change it.

Seo Specialists India

09/05/2013 12:48 pm

Very Well said : "lottery" & "penalization" engine

James

09/05/2013 01:01 pm

"lot of negative seo on high traffic sites" proof please

James

09/05/2013 01:06 pm

No it won't, you may hate Google, but searchers still love it.

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 01:15 pm

@Anti-SEO I dont understand the fuckin point in ur arguement here!

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 01:39 pm

Then why they people showing others listing?

AlbertoMR3

09/05/2013 01:50 pm

I think that the easiest way to know what happened or what they changed is to do a little bit of team work. I have prepared this open spreadsheet and i have included data from 3 sites i have 2 affected 1 not affected but with similar characteristics in order to be a control sample. Everybody is invited to collaborate and to modify the spreadsheet to include more relevant data, i have included only a few similar things between them, but the idea is that information will be updated with the every new change or addon done by others... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc&usp=sharing

djkaas.com

09/05/2013 02:08 pm

i see a little, movement, seems a keyword (image search) is getting me some hits today, while yesterday it was even less.. but overall it is still dramatic .

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 02:10 pm

Feel free to ask questions )

guest

09/05/2013 02:17 pm

good initiative (y)

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 02:17 pm

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GsvbKPdsPCo/Su8PcQJ0lzI/AAAAAAAADG8/DFNBDa23UY0/s400/facepalm___.jpg

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 02:22 pm

My trraffic was 10000+ in a Day and now i Have Only 2000 Per day :( Fuck Google Site: www.apkgamespoint.com

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 02:31 pm

makes sense! I have added mine too.

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 02:34 pm

Because Google is not there to guarantee traffic to your website. From my experience, a large percentage of people complaining about traffic loss have thin, low quality or shaddy websites. I used to be one of them. If people don't post their websites, we can't analyse them to see what they got in common and find out what the Google update was really about. Don't want to post your website? Then you probably have something to hide. Don't blame Big G then.

James

09/05/2013 02:36 pm

I looked at your site, you are promoting a service to get "millions of backlinks". No wonder your site has been hit. You also have spam in your comments system. Google will never rank a site like this.

James

09/05/2013 02:37 pm

What "new link guideline" ... ?

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 02:51 pm

Why was my reply deleted?

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 02:52 pm

Anyway, basically your website has no original content and you even copy content from Google. No wonder your website has been hit, you steal content from them (and lots of other websites).

Rob

09/05/2013 02:54 pm

Same thing here. 8 year old site with 10k+ a day visits. Now down to 3-4k. I can track the sudden change exactly to September 3rd at 16:00 Pacific time. Traffic dropped suddenly from about 900 visits/hour to aprox. 300 visits/hour.

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 02:57 pm

Dude i have linked Where i am copying Text.. but i upload my own data...

Rich

09/05/2013 02:58 pm

Do you think non-responsive/non-mobile sites may have taken a hit?

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 03:02 pm

Linking to the source doesn't make it original content. It's still duplicated content. What if your website had 100% original content and another webmaster would come in, copy all your content on his website and then outrank you (or steal some of your traffic)? Would you say fuck Google for not penalizing that website?

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 03:02 pm

I don't think so. A responsive design or a mobile optimized version are yet to be implemented on most of the websites out there.

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 03:02 pm

1st i modify apps then i upload them on net and then i share link on my site...

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 03:04 pm

You gotta ask yourself why you prefer copying content from other websites rather than writing your own material? Would that be too much work?

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 03:04 pm

From 10k to 2k in a day.. i dont think that is reason of duplicate...

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 03:04 pm

I strongly feel this update is all about thin content/duplicate content within the website.

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 03:06 pm

Oh definitely. I once hired a freelance writer who provided me with duplicated content for 9 months before I noticed (I know that was dumb). This represented about 60% of the whole website content. When it got hit by Panda (low quality / duplicated content), my traffic dropped by about 75%.

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 03:06 pm

Yes you are right...

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 03:10 pm

Ok Thanks i got it.. But If i Make New website and Write my own text and links. and modified Pics, and topic for Games and apps.. what about that ??? is it still duplicate ???

Rich

09/05/2013 03:13 pm

If this is the case, how does a single, shitty, descriptive page from eBay outrank an entire html5/css3 eCommerce site with niche-related links and devoted to one product?

guy

09/05/2013 03:17 pm

i feel strongly what this update especially to increase amazon revenue. http://www.webmasterworld.com/printerfriendlyv5.cgi?forum=30&discussion=4606861&serial=4607536&user=

guy

09/05/2013 03:17 pm

because that html5 site not member of internet coalition

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 03:17 pm

i actually meant "small business websites" with thin content :)

Tanvir Zafar

09/05/2013 03:18 pm

no faisal it is not...send me request on skype tanvirzafar1

Rich

09/05/2013 03:19 pm

Exactly. It's fucking rigged.

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 03:22 pm

i Make New website and Write my own text and links. and modified Pics, and topic for Games and apps.. what about that ??? is it still duplicate ???

Faisal Imran

09/05/2013 03:23 pm

Request sent

Eu

09/05/2013 03:23 pm

The last penguin and panda updates allmost take me out of google. Now i am back to the old positions before penguin and panda updates. This update it is like a fresh air for me at moment

guy

09/05/2013 03:26 pm

moment - is exact words. Nobody cannot be sure in google now. Google Chaos SAErch Engine algorithm.

guy

09/05/2013 03:27 pm

thin content is google definition. but they have a very thin serp right now.

guy

09/05/2013 03:29 pm

google not have original content, copy our sites and enjoy $$$ benefits based on surfers who looking for our sites. But soon expect new search engine!!!

guy

09/05/2013 03:29 pm

yes, because it not member of internet coalition and not in the google white list.

guy

09/05/2013 03:30 pm

so google displaying stealed snippets from our content?

grrrrr

09/05/2013 03:54 pm

You might be right...I hope your are right... I have lost 75% of my traffic. I found that I had 8,000 pages indexed that I hadn't 404'ed to have removed from Google (Yes, I'm an idiot). The pages linked to no content as the link to the database was also removed, so I guess these would be classed as "thin" content as it was just an empty template page. Any SEO on the web site is whitehat so hopefully this is it. Looking at the links that have been posted here, Webmaster World, Google forums etc, 9/10 the web sites are poor quality, have thin content, have duplicate content and are pretty much worthless. If Google are updating their algo... they are doing it right. This must be what the problem is, so fingers crossed this fixed it.

guy

09/05/2013 04:21 pm

google need to rename "I'm feeling lucky" button to "I'm will feel lucky if I find something useful here".

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 04:36 pm

Yup, looks not good. But don't be ashamed, probably you'll get another chance. https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/665701_531426580220441_2171387_o.jpg

guy

09/05/2013 04:37 pm

looks like new google owners

Bellwether digital media

09/05/2013 04:46 pm

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7360/doublefacepalmjustthoug.jpg

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 04:47 pm

))) But, I like more guys to the right. Look at their banner. They promote "Animal Identification" software .... )))) Imagine ... You walk down the street playing with your smartphone and suddenly see the animal. What animal is this ? "Animal Identification" software - you will know the difference between cow and dog !!!!!!!!!!!! LOL))))))

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 04:52 pm

no i dont think so, the non responsive part of my site hasnt been deranked ..

guy

09/05/2013 04:56 pm

;) difference between panda & penguin ;)

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 05:09 pm

what are ugs?

AlbertoMR3

09/05/2013 05:12 pm

Some things clear at the moment based on the study of about 20 affected sites: -Does not affect only new or recently redirected domains. -Does not affect only EMD domains -Does not affect only english sites -Does not affect only sites with too many or to low inbound links -Does not affect only thin content sites, agregated content sites or duplicate content sites, a lot of normal sites with good content are affected -The only common thin until now between all of the sites is Adsense.. but that can´t be a reason unless Google now like to shoot it´s owm toes.. The only way to know for sure more is with your anonymous contribution to this spreadsheet... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc#gid=0

guy

09/05/2013 05:13 pm

user generated content, eg - forums, comments

guy

09/05/2013 05:14 pm

From webmastersworld forum: It's crossing all niches as of this morning. To be clear I cannot buy the item off amazons site. These are just amazon product ads on amazons site ranking first in google organic results. When the user clicks on the organic google results with amazon first they find out its an amazon doorway page for an ad that links out to the advertisers site. who tell something about blackhat? Internet coalition/High trust websites can use any hat & tactics & google allow it. Or somebody want to report amazon to google? 100% guarantee what amazon not will dropped from google index, such as matt cutts telling us at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGCA2I8hfWc

guy

09/05/2013 05:14 pm

it mean what tags & category pages not under penalty

Kan

09/05/2013 05:15 pm

Panta Updates out of Search , Back to old position, any other options for SERP

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 05:16 pm

lol i read through it and indeed there isnt much common causes to be found .. except for adsense lol! :(

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 05:18 pm

ah i see, that explains, indeed my pages also rank better than my posts, and my old static html site (same domain in the root is still ranking very well) So must have something to do with thin content of the posts, i post a youtube video with some info about it, but not much..

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 05:18 pm

ah i c, thanks (y)

retarded canadian

09/05/2013 05:21 pm

wait until your site gets hit too by Google. It's just a matter of time. We'll see how you react then asswipe.

Samsul Plur

09/05/2013 05:28 pm

te mangan sek

DJKaas.com

09/05/2013 05:29 pm

I personally think/feel they are obligated in some way to serve the best sites to their visitors.. At the moment SERP are showing (at least in my niche) cheap youtube rip mp3 auto generated pages over mine.. I don`t think that's the 'user experience' Matt was talking about .. lol :)

guy

09/05/2013 06:02 pm

anyway adsense convert very badly

Freddy

09/05/2013 06:13 pm

My website visits was 19200 on Sep 3, 2013 and then drops suddenly on Sep 4th to 7500 visitors. Don't know what happened

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 06:35 pm

My websites were completely hit by Google (Panda + Penguin + the whole farm). My revenues drop from $400k/yr to $0. I have no more business per say. Now I started everything from scratch again and I'm hoping it will start to generate an income before my budget runs out. How's that for being hit by Google... asswipe?

Muhammad Umair

09/05/2013 06:35 pm

my sites visits was 500 on sep 2 and it drop down to 10 20 visits... any reason for that

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 06:37 pm

And believe me, it won't get hit twice.

Amit Kumar

09/05/2013 06:47 pm

Yes @james they updated their link guidelines are you not aware of it?

Stephane Brault

09/05/2013 07:11 pm

Now show us your website.

CaptainKevin

09/05/2013 07:50 pm

Many people are talking about how Google directs traffic to members of its lobbying group, which is called the "Internet Association." Amazon is a member and so is eBay, Facebook, TripAdvisor and some other sites I see planted on the first page of the search results. I thought this type of collusion was illegal in the United States?

hopeless

09/05/2013 08:01 pm

I just got an adsense nessie update (no arrows on ads) on sep 2 and then a 70% traffic drop two days later. Maybe there is a correlation?

Mike

09/05/2013 08:21 pm

In my niche, it's looking like a "BRAND" takeover. Plain and simple. I'm seeing old pages from big name sites resurrect from dead... Pages that haven't been updated since 2008 - with little to know value.... Some of these pages have either one mention of the keyword, or a similarity. Answer sites that have one short sentence on any given topic -- without an answer to the query, rank!!! I can't see these results sticking. IMHO, this is just a temporary shuffle of the deck. Keep on rolling with what you do and don't get bogged down on this B.S

Ashish Ahuja

09/05/2013 08:33 pm

Looks like the Aug 21/22 update is still rolling. You can see the proof of it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjchib11aXQ

Ashish Ahuja

09/05/2013 08:34 pm

Looks like site authority and site is more of a factor. Look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjchib11aXQ

STREAM2K

09/05/2013 09:20 pm

STREAM2K.eu

AlbertoMR3

09/05/2013 09:41 pm

nop, they had change a few things, now you can turn on and off the arrows and favicons for the ads on Adsense, and at the same time you can tell adsense that is ok or not to show ad with different sizes on your spots, like a normal square image ad on a big square ad... but i think that Adsense must have somethign to do... one of my sites were receiving an average of 900 daily unique visits a week before i integrate Adsense traffic drop to half...

AlbertoMR3

09/05/2013 09:50 pm

1st site: march 14 start adsense, april 4th big 60% traffic drop

Gabriela

09/05/2013 10:27 pm

Has anyone figured out some pathern? Was this an Algorithm Update? How can we recover from this drop?

Amine B

09/05/2013 10:55 pm

75% traffic lost on 4sept it was like 11Sept and i have any ideas for the reason, can any one help us please

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 11:00 pm

A lot of SEOs are promoting themselves here. Feel free to hire any.

Amine B

09/05/2013 11:04 pm

i'am SEO but i have not understood what happened

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 11:09 pm

Well, then you should visit SMX.

Amine B

09/05/2013 11:12 pm

i'am french one give me link Please

Anti-SEO

09/05/2013 11:13 pm

See the banner to the right, above the Barry's talking head.

Amine B

09/05/2013 11:15 pm

Thanks!

Clara

09/05/2013 11:23 pm

Same here. Mi site is 12 years old, great ranking and as the leader in a small niche we have tons of incoming links. At exactly the same time as yours my traffic dropped by 50% and I have no idea what happened.

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 02:04 am

90% traffic loss on Sept 4th / Sept 5th at http://agrochemicals.com.au

xtopher66

09/06/2013 02:15 am

Google owns your asses boys!

xtopher66

09/06/2013 02:57 am

Lol. You need to be a MCFB on Google Webmaster Forums to succeed.

Soni Sharma

09/06/2013 05:04 am

80% drop is really big update if website is getting huge traffic...

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 05:29 am

in other words, organic search from Google is now on the level of that from Yahoo/Bing ;)

osman musa

09/06/2013 05:40 am

where you are reporting loss, i am seeing gains at my site techlivewire.com i'm seeing gains of like %60. I hope you recover man

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 05:49 am

thanks, I will try ;) and I'm happy for your gain by the way! on the other hand, it is kind of natural, as what is bad for some sites has to be good for other, and when some are moved down in ratings some must go up at the same time ;) and everything thanks to some magic algorithms which keep being developed (read: manipulated) on a daily basis ;)

sam

09/06/2013 06:03 am

80% keyword ranking drop on 5th Sep evening. Unable to understand why Google need to do hidden updates..

Dario Petkovic

09/06/2013 07:04 am

the big G has definitely killed the SEO - to rely on SEO for source of traffic is just not a good business model

williamjohn

09/06/2013 07:05 am

i lost my all traffic from my website tell me what happened? Give me also solution to get recover

williamjohn

09/06/2013 07:07 am

I am also facing this problem. totally shocked.

Amit Kumar

09/06/2013 07:16 am

Those SEO who blindly trust google they are finished only...

Gabriela

09/06/2013 07:17 am

Appart from the big traffic loss, I have noticed that I have lost a lot of backlinks from Sept 1 till today (Report from MajesticSEO). Has anyone noticed that? What do you think?

Amit Kumar

09/06/2013 07:19 am

Guys roll yourself 2 years back and Do what you was doing 2 years back in SEO you will never feel this kind of update heat..

Amit

09/06/2013 08:18 am

lost almost 90 % traffic.. another blog lost 70 %. My blog was original source of information, but many copy paster used my content directly.. now i am loser.

hopeless

09/06/2013 08:18 am

I still think this can be somewhat related. Maybe high CTR can be a reason as they consider those being made for Adsense sites.

me again

09/06/2013 08:22 am

It's not only thin content that causes this. I see similar sites like mine, posting youtube music video's, even less text in the articles, are still ranked very well..

Amine B

09/06/2013 08:54 am

Me Again, we will do a little report for this drop, i'll make a little description of the concerned website - Turned on wordpress - sub domain recently created - have news section with some article from the other newspaper my other website coded manually has not been affect i've seen 3 or 2 results from one website in the first page of google search, all the things done before pinguin was nulled AND U ?

Amine B

09/06/2013 09:03 am

- we are 6th sept and my last update report from google webmaster tool was 2nd Sept - The adsense format changed

guy

09/06/2013 09:32 am

it why no reason to follow their rules.

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 10:08 am

look at the statement we put on our database about Google SE

Muhammad Umair

09/06/2013 10:08 am

my webmaster tool is also not updated after 2 sept

Amine B

09/06/2013 10:12 am

DO you have Duplicate content in your website ?

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 10:13 am

no, I don't

Amine B

09/06/2013 10:16 am

strange, because only website with DC has been affected

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 10:17 am

seems not only ;)

Parul Mittal

09/06/2013 10:30 am

I see fb serach results flooded on the search results if we search for any persons name. this is ridiculous, definately the problem is very few sites (fb, amazon etc. etc. ) getting multiple results on first page. Very bad update.. this one

zippien

09/06/2013 11:05 am

yeah same here .. 60 % visitor frop --"

hopeless

09/06/2013 11:16 am

Anyone seeing a final hammer today? I lost 75% of the visitors on 4th, another 25% today...

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 11:34 am

25% of that 25% left, or the rest left after 4th of Sept, so 100% of remaining 25% of initial traffic?

William Lake

09/06/2013 11:36 am

Mine has gone too. Last 25% went today. 0 Duplicate content, 0 spammy links.

William Lake

09/06/2013 11:37 am

Yep, no webmaster update since 2nd. It's now the 6th.

dk

09/06/2013 11:37 am

my high traffic site drops 90% traffic i don't know why and what happened its totally wrong and bad update .....

William Lake

09/06/2013 11:38 am

Same for me! :(

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 11:39 am

sorry to hear that... I wish you to recover asap... it is really shameful what they are doing, and even more that they can do it without any consequences... I mean legal consequences, to them...

Gabriela

09/06/2013 11:45 am

That`s not true. I have written all my articles by myself (around 1000 words each + photos), no duplicate content and such a long post cannot be categorised as "thin" content.

hopeless

09/06/2013 12:25 pm

100% of the remaining

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 12:37 pm

OMG, sorry to hear that, hope you will recover soon... and I hope that someday somebody will finally take them to the court for those manipulative practices and in fact abusing their basically monopoly position on the market...

openweb.lt

09/06/2013 12:50 pm

All those complaining about a sudden loss in website traffic, please check webalizer or content management system reports - these numbers are different from data on Google Analytics. I believe it's Analytics that's being changed now and for some reason it displays wrong data.

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 12:57 pm

don't be ridiculous, I can see any other traffic as it is and only that coming from Google organic search dropped 90%

hopeless

09/06/2013 12:58 pm

Of course this is not the case, the same drop can be observed in Adsense.

pais

09/06/2013 01:15 pm

modXchange is a new and innovative online portfolio website serving as the bridge for fashion industrialists to network, collaborate, and take their careers to the next level

me again

09/06/2013 01:35 pm

incorrect, wp stats and google analytics show the same drop in traffic..

Nick

09/06/2013 01:49 pm

I'm actually seeing an increase today (traffic was down about 20-30% yesterday). In fact, traffic appears to be better than before the update. Anyone else seeing the same today?

Amine B

09/06/2013 01:53 pm

It's just for the rise of adwords

Amine B

09/06/2013 01:55 pm

update for today for the 4th sept

William Lake

09/06/2013 01:59 pm

Mine too. No manual actions, no messages, no warnings, just 90% drop in search queries! Don't get it. White hat site, high quality content, no above the fold ads, no spammy backlinks. Just don't get it at all. :(

Amine B

09/06/2013 01:59 pm

My Drop of the 4th sept, two month of work for that, my adsens return lost 800 %

Lenny Stubbs

09/06/2013 02:02 pm

I wish I had as much power as Google!

Stephane Brault

09/06/2013 02:15 pm

You mean... buying links from link networks?

Amine B

09/06/2013 02:18 pm

Sorry for u, i'am desgusted too, we cant trust on google and adsense return, the SEO is DIE

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 02:29 pm

"dead, buried and cremated" - as our new PM here in Australia would say (we will have elections today, that is on Saturday)

William Lake

09/06/2013 02:30 pm

I don't know about that. I'm not giving up, I actually think the site will bounce back after this is all sorted out. I used to make churn and burn blackhat sites, so I know what a penalty looks like, this does definitely not look like one of them. Keep it cool guys, it'll probably all work out well soon.

Muhammad Umair

09/06/2013 02:55 pm

@williamalake:disqus now what should we do? stop working on our sites or wait ??

William Lake

09/06/2013 03:00 pm

Well, that's up to you. I'm taking the time to just tweak some things on the site. Double check that everything is adhering the 'rules' and making some high quality content. I'm going to carry on as normal, develop the site a bit and see what happens.

Muhammad Umair

09/06/2013 03:05 pm

i will also try to gain my last position

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 03:06 pm

good advice, I'm going to carry on as normal too, developing site and adding more and more quality content... the only difference is that I will not rely on Google as the main source of my traffic anymore... they are unreliable...

AlbertoMR3

09/06/2013 03:08 pm

yep, i was just updating my data on the spreadsheet we are using the only site left without affection went flat today too https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc#gid=0

William Lake

09/06/2013 03:11 pm

I agree guys. I'm looking into making more of social networks. I'm going to research best methods for Facebook, Twitter, Forums, etc and see Google as a 'bonus'. The problem is that it brings so much traffic, that it's not easy to do this!

AlbertoMR3

09/06/2013 03:12 pm

mine is updated until 4th so i can now see the big drop on the organic impressions on google the curve is the same like on analytics, adsense and my own analicits script.. a dive in from the top to the bottom

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 03:25 pm

agree, it won't be an easy task to achieve the same exposure/traffic like that generated by Google before 4th of September... but I'm afraid we have no choice but to try...

AlbertoMR3

09/06/2013 03:27 pm

I am working on new test sites now, one 100% white hat , and the other 200% blackhat as a comparison to see what happens as i´m seen a lot of badquality sites now all over the search results.. The other sites i have that are affected I will let them as they are right now without touch anything because I remembered to have one site that some time ago, exactly nov 26 2012 went from 900 unique visits to 50 in one day, and went flat until magically on dec 12 2012 recovered alone as I did anything (becouse i didn´t notice it until january ;)

AlbertoMR3

09/06/2013 04:00 pm

good and inspiring article with toons of info http://www.viperchill.com/new-seo/

Entreb

09/06/2013 04:13 pm

I lost more than 50% traffic starting September 4 on one of my site. But my other site has no change at all. And yes, I think that Google is favoring big brands. I also see low-quality BLOGSPOT sites (with unoriginal and copied content) topping the SERP. It's just frustrating.

ethalon

09/06/2013 04:24 pm

Those are all massive brands that everyone knows. I have never used TripAdvisor, and yet I still know the name and what they do. They rank for a good reason, they are known. This isn't some secret backroom deal; users like those sites, use them, and return to them time and time again. Google would be insane to not present these sites when applicable if they want to give the user what they think the user is looking for.

Amine B

09/06/2013 04:34 pm

what about the score in the PageSpeed Insights

Amine B

09/06/2013 04:35 pm

i have just this problem on my website and the score is 68/10 for the desktop and 57/100 for the mobile

Amine B

09/06/2013 04:39 pm

i've tested your website in page speed insight, you have bad score too can any others confime that

Amine B

09/06/2013 04:40 pm

can u give me the link of your website

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 04:50 pm

Amine, thanks, maybe it's true as yesterday I cleared the whole cache with html pages created by drupal's boost module, so it will take some time until all of them are cached again... but anyway, I did it AFTER I observed that huge drop in traffic... average speed on downloading a page before 4th of September was 0.333sec for 3rd of September for instance, as shown by Crawl Stats... so this is definietly not the issue

openweb.lt

09/06/2013 05:07 pm

What do we tell to our SEO clients?

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 05:09 pm

Amine, as I replied under your other post, page speed is probably not the issue... however, I have just checked fresh update on Structured Data, and my Webmaster Tools show that number of pages dropped from 1754 on 3th of September to 685 on 6th of September, which is even below the number of pages on my sitemap!!! (954, where 941 supposed to be indexed as shown in Crawl/Sitemap)... I don't know what it is at the moment but it looks that there is something really bad messing all traffic&statistics... PS. number of Items in Structured Data remained almost the same (2888 before and 2919 after)...

Amine B

09/06/2013 05:26 pm

ok, so i'am going to work to my others websites and i hope this up will be just a bad dream, can we stay in contact please for sharing news for this up

AGROchemicals

09/06/2013 05:30 pm

no worries ;) and I'm going to sleep now as it is very late here, but I think that when I wake up in few hours this bad dream will not be over :( and probably not even in days and weeks to come...

basit

09/06/2013 05:42 pm

You are right Amine, i noticed those sites are not affected who use google adsense

Basit

09/06/2013 05:54 pm

i lost my 80% visitors since 4 spt and i also noticed some blogspot toping in SERP that copied my entire work

osman musa

09/06/2013 06:03 pm

are you talking about your blog.esl site? I just checked it and saw that the main domain is just an "index of/" directory. Could that possibly be the reason? Maybe Google things "Index of" sites don't really matter and should be pushed way back in results. Even though you have a subdomain their, the "Index of/" could be harming you.

AlbertoMR3

09/06/2013 06:34 pm

Amine,the pagespeed secore is not the issue, don´t worry mines has an score of 90 to 97 all are on a CDN and all are down

Anti-SEO

09/06/2013 08:15 pm

Truth. SEOs can't crack algo as they did before Panda. SEO is dead. SEOs, still selling such service, are scammers.

Anti-SEO

09/06/2013 08:22 pm

"my adsens return lost 800 %" Amine, when does school time start in your country ? Shouldn't you be in school already ?

TonyG5003

09/06/2013 09:32 pm

Down 40% since Aug 22nd here... No funky linking strategies, copious amounts of unique content, respectable social signals - 17 yr/old domain, good silo structure, etc. etc. Also seeing a preference for "brands." But, I'd love to know who at Google decides what qualifies as a "brand." Hey Google... I have a brand too... I deserve equal treatment.

Amine B

09/06/2013 10:16 pm

you are just frustrated anti SEO guy

Trey Williams

09/06/2013 10:36 pm

My site traffic is down about 60% since the 4th..Pretty new site, but I just started gaining some traction. Alot of my pages for long tails where ranking pretty high in google. Just last week I had my highest total number of visitors ever then just like that on the 4th.. gone. Really a nose dive. Looks like alot of my posts just completely vanished from google even from very very low searched exact keywords. Its weird seeing pages that don't have anything to do with a topic now rank before mine. I also see alot of BIG websites/ Larger brands and really old pages now ranking above me. Some other info: I do have some old pages linking to amazon from when I used to use them. I do have some thin content because I post Music Videos and Daily Quotes and some duplicate content because of the descriptions I provide from wikipedia about the artist with a link so they can read more about them. I haven't used any link building at all and I let them build themselves. My site is wekosh.com if anyone wants to respectfully analyze. I do feel like it has a temporary feel to it and could see things going back to normal in a couple weeks.

Trey Williams

09/06/2013 10:44 pm

Here's a very specific long tail search example: Timelapse Video of Icelands Eyjafjallajökull Volcano Erupting. I used to rank in google on the first page and get good traffic from it now I am nowhere to be found. Its crazy seeing the amount of pages that have nothing to do with it rank above me. lol If I search on bing, yahoo or anywhere else I am in the first couple results. I'm taking it all as a learning experience to not rely on google. I am currently building more sites that will focus more on social media traffic and revenue from my own products rather than advertising.

Anti-SEO

09/06/2013 10:44 pm

What is your return % ?

guy

09/06/2013 10:48 pm

please create websites with high quality content. we will ban them. G. spend all you money for that high quality site with lot of unique content, excellent users engagement and we will ban it with pleasure.

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 12:29 am

nice site man i cant figure out why you get slaped there is on other of my comments an open spreadsheet if you like to share more info to analize as we (3o+ webmasters are doing)

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 12:32 am

nice site man i cant figure out why you get slaped there is on other of my comments an open spreadsheet if you like to share more info to analize as we (3o+ webmasters are doing now)

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 12:36 am

man we are not selling seo services calm down we are afected webmasters that lives or wants to live from our sites seo gurus scammers and related pigs are not here and if so the have no chance to convert with us

osman musa

09/07/2013 01:00 am

He has pagerank 0, wonder if that can mean something that affects him negatively. And Trey's site is freaking well designed elegant music/entertainment. His kind of sites are the ones that come out successful.

osman musa

09/07/2013 01:03 am

they don't ban the sites, they just disadvantage them by giving more preferences to brands, like a lot of people have mentioned below.

Keith Reynolds

09/07/2013 01:16 am

I'm with Trey, this has completely taught me not to rely on Google, for the past 4 months I have ranked on the first page for every keyword that I targeted, and now... Well it doesn't even matter. Yahoo and Bing maintain my high rankings, but not google, I was beginning to worry, until I found this site! Thanks for all the info!! Good Luck!

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 01:24 am

PR lost sense long time ago

osman musa

09/07/2013 01:29 am

oh i forgot, this is the new era where PR isn't valued anymore.

Phil Williams

09/07/2013 02:15 am

I am a SEO junkie newbie! I don't know what's going on with Google? My website is ranked on the First page in 5th position on both yahoo and bing but on Google its on the 6th page. My website has all unique and original content. I was wondering if all this stuff going on with everybody else is the same thing going on with my website?

Trey Williams

09/07/2013 02:29 am

I saw your spreadsheet somewhere in the comments. Such a good idea.. I will have to look for it again and share my info as soon as i get some free time

Trey Williams

09/07/2013 02:31 am

I really appreciate the compliment, there's not much we can do but continue to work and hope for the best. I believe we will start to see some of our pages make a small comeback over the next couple weeks.

osman musa

09/07/2013 02:44 am

Trey I think I figured out whats affecting you and I told my friend the same thing too. He too had a PR 0 site and I told him to get rid of the tags as it looks like there is keyword stuffing going on to Google Bot. Too many keywords so close together without sentences in between is harmful I believe. Even Matt cutts said in a video that Tags will appear there is keyword stuffing going on even though the webmaster isn't stuffing things. Check the very bottom of your page. Back in the old days people use to hide lots of keywords at the very bottom of the page and also change the link color to match the background color, things have changed now but Google bot may be programmed to examine that bottom area more than any other area for anything suspicious. To make things worse, you have same tag words repeating each other. That is not good lol.

Trey Williams

09/07/2013 02:56 am

Lol Thanks, i'll take a look at it and make some changes. I'm still pretty much a newbie so i appreciate the advice. Do you think I should get rid of the tags altogether? The reason i did my tags like that is cause i noticed that my tag pages where ranking higher than anything else.

osman musa

09/07/2013 03:17 am

Didn't I say "Get rid of it lol" For your own good get rid of it, my friend did too and he noticed improvements. Matt Cutts said it will appear as keyword stuffing even if though the Webmaster has no intentions to stuff keywords. Besides u have it at all the way way bottom, who even looks there? Ask yourself, do your visitors even look at the very bottom end of your page?

Travis

09/07/2013 03:50 am

Went from 40,000 UVs to 20,000 UVs on September 4th. Have no idea why!

riponzm

09/07/2013 04:11 am

now what should we do

mrx

09/07/2013 05:17 am

we should setup a fund for building a new search engine :) there is a lot of work involved but when funds is sufficient... it should be do-able. anyways... do not rely on google anymore... start using bing.. all of you. if the whole world starts using alternatives.... google will dry up ( loosing marketshare ) and they will try harder not to favor big brands and bring their focus back to what websearch is really about...

Phil Williams

09/07/2013 05:54 am

I totally agree! I am going to start using Bing.com as of now! Google is going down the drain. When you google a keyword it doesn't even come back relevant.

mrx

09/07/2013 06:05 am

"I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal." -- Gordon Gekko. "Wall street"

Streen

09/07/2013 06:09 am

Even I facing the same problem with Google Search. It is not showing relevant search results on the top. I searched for some technical Info, It is showing some Company Profile and other junk details. I also switched to Bing.com

Bob76

09/07/2013 06:25 am

My Fall www.mp3songspk.pk I was on second No. for .pk and almost near 5th to 10th place all around the world. Absolutely devastated. The first Drop was on 23 Aug. The second Major Drop on 3/4 Sep. Now Well Dont Ask.

Phil Williams

09/07/2013 06:26 am

Yes, Bing.com is much better than Google right now! I am using it right now and set as my default browser. I didn't realize it was as good as it is. I'm satisfied.

mrx

09/07/2013 06:28 am

the problem is... you shouldnt switch back to google, even when it improves... you will be dissapointed again, some day... history repeats itself. Stick with bing.

mrx

09/07/2013 06:30 am

yes, bing is better... at this moment. especially for the "how to" queries

Phil Williams

09/07/2013 06:40 am

Wow that's a major drop! How is your website on Bing.com?

Phil Williams

09/07/2013 06:45 am

Yes, that's a interesting point. I am just going to stick with bing. Also that's the problem not too many people use Bing.com so you don't get that much traffic.

Bob76

09/07/2013 06:56 am

Nothing much has changed in Bing or Yahoo. But the number of indexed pages on bing are much less and the traffic from there is almost nothing compared to Google. By the way I just checked MajestticSEO and it is reporting a significant loss of links that I got created by a SEO services guy. Can anybody check with their links lost report with MajesticSEO.

mrx

09/07/2013 06:56 am

yes, thats exactly why you, currently, dont get much traffic from bing... not many ppl using it 17.9% but its increasing..... at the expense of yahoo currently... but i think, many more are now switching at the expense of google. Only we dont know what microsoft is going to do when they equal the marketshare of google.... are they going to get greedy as well? future will tell...

James

09/07/2013 08:28 am

Generally speaking brands are more trustworthy than little sites, that's why they ranker better.

James

09/07/2013 08:29 am

Is your site a "made for Adsense" type of site with thin content? Be brave and post your URL.

DJKaas.com

09/07/2013 08:32 am

I found this screendump on the google product forums: https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!category-topic/webmasters/crawling-indexing--ranking/JmjRu1EH05s The time his rankings went up (september 4th) is the same time that all people commenting on this page were hit too (in a negative way)

open

09/07/2013 10:34 am

SEO optimized websites do suck, I'm glad these now are 200-400 positions down (just like my price comparision website with scraped info from other sites)

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 11:03 am

Links, created by a SEO services ; Share buttons show no interest from visitors ; Unclear copyrights. I didn't dig deep into the site, but already would like to know : Why do you believe you must be ranked higher ?

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 12:03 pm

I knew the guy, who tried to launch search engine on the local market. He wasted around $2mio in around 18 months and got about

mrx

09/07/2013 12:55 pm

you need the money work out great ideas, do research and hire the best ppl around. 2million is nothing... you cannot beat google with only 2 million... that would be absurd... you will need close to 50-60million, maybe even a hundred ( or even more... ), to just get the project off the ground.... Well sure bing is increasing in marketshare... but you are right... it isnt easy.... just take a look at google's datacenters and you know what i mean.... it is hard datacrunching in order to find a page that ranks best related to a "dumb" set of keywords. and coping with all the spam around. however, link counting can be manipulated to the extreme... so you will need to find other ways, ways that cannot be manipulated... but hence gives good results.. i think google holds too long to their principles of linkcounting... they should come up with something completely different... before someone else does... ( but then the technology will probably be bought by google )... true. its all about ideas. semi-AI would probably solve a lot :). it wont come cheap. but if you succeed.... wow.

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 01:33 pm

yes, what a strange coincidence don't you think? The disavow of the mentioned link were not the cause of the recuperation of the traffic for sure, as on first hand that does not occur inmediately, and on second hand, he didn´t receive a manual penalty... most be something else.. i have on site affected last year on november 19 that went from mountains to rivers just like on this picture and that magically recup 10-15 days before with out me do anything at all. and is just what i will do with my sites now... .Who knows maybe is a new tactic of the anti-spam team to see what the webmasters do when they loose the traffic.. as if you did something blackhat you will try to undone what you did like that guy, and they will notice what you did during that time and ofcourse and for sure they will take note of the disavoed links during the drop of traffic, changes on site, etc..

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 01:52 pm

it has nothing to do with SEO Man, in fact google loves and needs SEO as is the only way they algorith can understand what your site is all about.. nobody has invented the artificial intelligence until today and there are not enough humans on the earth to check manually every single page indexed by google, so SEO is the only way a crawler script have for understand what a a site is all about and the best thing to do if you like that when somebody looks for what you offer find you is to do your best to let the crawlers understand your site on their own language...

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 02:27 pm

Then what is this for " we should setup a fund for building a new search engine " ?? when "will need close to 50-60million, maybe even a hundred ( or even more... ), to just get the project off the ground...." Do you really believe you can rise funds in the amount of 50-60 million ?? LOL )) "you need the money work out great ideas, do research and hire the best ppl around" Nope. ALL great ideas, currently dominating in this market, started in "garages". But Yes, you need the money, when you want to REPLICATE great idea started by others in garage )

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 02:32 pm

You're talking about SEO by Matt Cutts (by Google). He is talking about SEO by SEOs. These are two different things with totally different goals.

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 02:33 pm

I am checking stats of a lot of sites mine and from other friends that owns sites or are webmasters or SEOs We have identify several dates,besides the one we knows sept 4th that is the date that bring all os to this page (thanks Barry for keep the eye on every suspicious change on the serps).. Looks like is not a thing that happened just on sept 4th in fact if we are here is becouse we all were affected with what we call now the september 4 big wave... but there were previous waves and for sure will be more waves before the Tusunami arrives for all the rest or worst a Tusnami will never arrive an from now on only big waves like the one that devasted our site will come.. Why?..maybe is their new way of do things.. when google launches an update on a date with an animal name all the SEO community and Webmasters community do what we are doing now check what changed and brain stroming what the new rules are and the ways to recup positions.. BUT if i were them... the way I would do it would be like this new wave technique.. as this way the information and analysis will be more difficult for the SEO and Webmasters community as all the "attacks" will look like shit that happens becouse some webmaster or SEO did something wrong. then that webmaster and SEO will look if there is something online about a new algorithm change or something and if nothing is published will realize that maybe was that extra linking campaing, or that likes service thing i bought on fivver, this anchor that image... and normally the drop of traffic will end with the complete UNDONE of anything that can POTENTOALLY MANIPULATE THE RESULTS and this way Google will have what they want a clear control of the SERPs with out manipulation.. is cleaver and we now that they don´t hire stupid people.. DATES of some of the best example as are almost identical sites: Site 1 Av. Traffic before any drop 800 daily visitors - Frist hit by wave: march 4-5 a 50% drop from one day to the other with a recuperation of normal traffic 20 days later without do anything BUT.. - Second hit: the second april 4th hit comes before an incremental recuperation on the traffic from the day 25 or march until reach the 924 visits (+14% normal traffic) from september 4th to september 20 the traffic wend down gradually to reach the 300 daitly visits. -Third hit, the september 3-4 wave: from 300 to 30 dailty visits, 90% frop final touché.. Site 2.Av traffic 1400 dailty visitos - First hit ; april 4th from 1400 to 300 in a couple of days... - Second hit: July 7-8 50% drop from 300 to 150... -Thir hit.. still havent reached .... Differences between both sites NONE just content. Same self developed CMS, same structure, same internal linking method, same anchors same ALL less links as are two different "niches, productos or content" but all links were natural...and a few

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 02:46 pm

Anti-SEO Matt Cutts is just a puppeteer on the interest of Google. We all know that his duty and job is to educate as much as possible webmasters to do sites according with their interest, we are basically working from them in order to improve their search engine every time we optimize a site to try to improve our serps rankings...I read all that comes from him but what is do is to read between lines and some times there is good info on the comments, but you must think like him and read between lines. Like it or not the true is that we all created that monster and the true is that a site that works well for google is a site with poor usability or user experience.. or with a lot of extra things you normally don´t like to have on a site... but thats the way it its, if you don´t have ton of money for advertising you try to do SEO in order to try to get your message or product to your costumer.. if you have plenty of money you just use any kind of advertising to bring people to your site including offline... so basically if you are Anti-SEO you are anti normal people that try to do their living from internet and pro big corporation that don´t need to do SEO

mrx

09/07/2013 02:59 pm

that was a joke... but since you went into it... so did i... i do not agree on the 50-60 million needed to replicate others ideas... if you go into machine learning ( and go beyond... ) you need good ppl ( best, you need to attrackt ppl with expertise... preferably from competitors like google... they dont come cheap )... also what about hardware... datacenters... costs... bandwidth... you will need to sift thru a huge dataset of documents, but need to collect them first... enormous proportions of bandwidth.... your money will dry up very quickly if you dont have sufficient funds... insufficient funds is guaranteed to fail your project... i am not going to collect those 50-60 million. I am satisfied with how it now is.... :) i do a good job :)

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 03:32 pm

And your point is .... ????

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 03:34 pm

Now that i realize i read something about it published by barry haha http://searchengineland.com/googles-panda-dance-matt-cutts-confirms-panda-rolls-out-monthly-over-10-of-30-days-162950

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 03:37 pm

no point.. just trolling you is what you like right? ;D

Ashish Ahuja

09/07/2013 03:44 pm

Fist analyse the effects of the update and give corrective action plan, but if you were building low quality links then its not easy to correct the situation. You can read more about our analysis here http://www.avainfotechseo.com/yes-google-panda-update-aug-2122-see-proof/

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 03:48 pm

then you even can't troll ... ))

Ashish Ahuja

09/07/2013 03:50 pm

problem with your website is huge link velocity with bad or low quality links in other words You made too many junk links too fast man and your site loads very slowly at least for me

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 03:53 pm

" i do a good job :) " Good to know. Me too )

amir

09/07/2013 04:04 pm

my site went from having 15,000 visitors a day at 200 ..... you believe that sites optimized H1 have been affected?

DJKaas.com

09/07/2013 04:32 pm

me too, just set is as my standard search engine.. Must say have typed in google.com a couple of times manually already :-S to search for this topic for instance.. smh .. LOL

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 04:32 pm

THANKS a kiss for you.. god idea... NEW GROUP SPREADSHEET, Potential Panda penalty tiggers to help recuperate our sites https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc#gid=2

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 04:32 pm

NEW GROUP SPREADSHEET, Potential Panda penalty tiggers to help recuperate our sites https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc#gid=2 is the same spreadsheet we were working on, just a new sheet websites data https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc#gid=1

DJKaas.com

09/07/2013 05:06 pm

optimized H1 as in the HTML tag for titles? ?? I think my H1 is, in that way, pretty optimized indeed..

mrx

09/07/2013 05:12 pm

Google update is still in progress... better evaluate after the weekend. How to milk a cow... 4 hours ago... 8/10 results youtube... now only one... something is recalculating or migrating to all datacenters....

Amine B

09/07/2013 05:42 pm

some changes today, update is still in progress, 3 and 4 results from the same website in first page result, verry bad update

AGROchemicals

09/07/2013 05:50 pm

it is a nice thought, indeed, and gives some hope that maybe we all will recover and return to the situation before that disastrous update... but after what happened on 4th of September they do not deserve my attention anymore... there is a great song of Rage Against The Machine, which says "they say jump, you say how high"... well, I'm not going to behave like a puppet anymore... I will do it my way, and I don't care what some petty authority, even if it is the largest company on the market, wants me to do or forces me to do... and I do not agree to those massive manipulations of searching practices in the first place... it's just not right! I will just do what is good for my customers, so visitors of our page, or users of our database, however you want to call them... we are doing that and providing services for them, not for Google...

facebooklogin

09/07/2013 06:01 pm

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AGROchemicals

09/07/2013 06:22 pm

ps. by doing what they do, they undermine their own supremacy, undeniable at the moment... with each action like that they will lose more and more clients/market as users will be disappointed by being bombarded with useless links instead of getting valuable and accurate search results... with time they will start using other engines, like Bing mentioned below, and then the situation on the whole market will change, forcing Google to listen to the users again... they forgot the values which made them as big as they are right now... and they will pay for that...

Mike

09/07/2013 06:39 pm

What's your point in replying??? Can you offer something worthwhile instead of insults?

Raymond S

09/07/2013 07:01 pm

on sept 3rd i went from my usual and normal 170-190 clicks a day down to 20 i called google yesterday and have still not given me a straight answer im pissed and going to demand a generous credit for the lost of sales my website is no longer getting

mrx

09/07/2013 07:04 pm

google is considered to be more evil with each update.... we will c what the future will bring...

AGROchemicals

09/07/2013 07:07 pm

and me too, just set Bing as default SE in Chrome;)

Ashish Ahuja

09/07/2013 07:19 pm

Google does give credit for lost sales? This is new to me

Raymond S

09/07/2013 07:30 pm

idk if they do but for the headache they have caused me im going to demand a credit. they make enough money at google

mrx

09/07/2013 07:33 pm

forget about it... their lawyers will crush you.... its not like google is obliged to deliver you traffic.

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 07:45 pm

We have been hit by Panda is confirmed. If we were never hit before is becouse they should changed or added things to the panda points that tiggers the Panda Penalty and perhaps we just passed the border line on this last update, but such roll outs can vary.. anyone were affected on July 8 and autust 8? confirmed dates are September 4 ofcourse at least for us. This is a good thing, as at least we know now what was the animal that bit as and the recovery of our traffic is possible and in a short period of time (i know that now we feel it like an eternity but a month is not just to bad) Its what happend to this webmaster on this google forum post https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!category-topic/webmasters/crawling-indexing--ranking/JmjRu1EH05s We were hit becouse some links (i´m not pretty sure as he didn´t received the tipical unnatural links message) once the links were disavow and once the panda algo passed on september 4th his site affected on the previous roll out recovered magically the lost traffic) To know what changed on the Panda algo update will be difficult, but will can try to perfom a simmilar analysis on the same spreadsheet we were using on a different sheet. is allready prepared so lets enter the data and work toguether to learn more about the algo https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntEUErTi93DdGZzVjcydDJzd19QTl9nb0ZITXBMOHc#gid=0

Ashish Ahuja

09/07/2013 07:51 pm

u were serious I thought it was a joke

Ashish Ahuja

09/07/2013 07:58 pm

did you loose traffic to your agrochemicals domain or some other website

Raymond S

09/07/2013 08:12 pm

yeah but when my cpc max rate goes from 09 cents to 68 cents ans still being charged my full budget. google lawyers huh.... not afraid and it would be in googles best interest to comply.

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 08:13 pm

"and going to demand a generous credit for the lost of sales" LOL )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Keep it coming ))))))))))))))))

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 08:17 pm

Feel free to make a search. A plenty of useful inputs were posted.

mrx

09/07/2013 08:25 pm

sorry to dissapoint you... wont work.. you can set your max bidding in adwords... its your own fault...

Keelan Balderson

09/07/2013 08:41 pm

I got hit on the 4th and went in to a mad panic today removing thousands of old blog posts with little to no search traffic, thinking perhaps I was diluting my good content with lots of old useless content. However in looking at who's linking to me there are loads of spammy blogs scraping and linking to my content, but ranking higher! Is this damaging me? Also some genuine backlinks are sitewide and in to the thousands. I've made it unscathed this far so have done little reading on all this Panda, Penguin stuff. But can I really be getting penalized for people linking to me? That's beyond my control.

mrx

09/07/2013 08:52 pm

you are reacting way to quickly to these changes...

mrx

09/07/2013 08:54 pm

the update is still in progres.. what you now see might not be the definitive outcome of the update... really... hold your horses.. i am always amazed about ppl panicking this quickly and immediately start making changes (potentially making it worse )... shouldnt do that... let the dust settle... relax... enjoy the weekend.. have a beer... or 5.... :)

Keelan Balderson

09/07/2013 08:54 pm

Maybe, it just freaked me out, because I've never been hit like this before.

Keelan Balderson

09/07/2013 09:03 pm

5 it is

mrx

09/07/2013 09:16 pm

good.. enjoy...

Anti-SEO

09/07/2013 09:44 pm

Welcome into the business, if your stats do bother you. You have to have A LOT of special knowledge to be in this business, like in any other business. Think seriously if you really need this. Obviously your current interests are far away from coding, online promotion, psychology, etc etc etc. Or do it just for fun. Forget about stats.

Kenny

09/07/2013 10:27 pm

How are you sure it is panda?

AlbertoMR3

09/07/2013 10:50 pm

100% sure and google don´t match. lets say is my best bet after 3 days checking data from about one hundred affected sites... if is not Panda is other animal but is not just a change on the ranking algorithm looks more like a automatic penalty, no warnings, no messages, and every site affected on exact dates on different ways on different types of sites.. anyway once we end the study we will know more.. until know looks likes affects more sites with Adsense.. maybe because the clear commertial intend or monetization.. who knows.. affiliate links looks like doesn´t affect or are not a common factor.. you can take a look to the data on the spread sheet and maybe collaborate and fur sure extract your own opinion. on the spread sheet there are only data about sites affected on september 2-4th but I have check data of sites affected on days 2-4 on august and july 8 with less intensity ofcourse on early dates the penalty were from only about 50% of the traffic and all pages died on september 2 as well

Mike

09/08/2013 01:35 am

I totally agree. It's always best to ride it out and analyze your data after 30 days. Record SERP positions, for your site as well as competitors. Asses the situation and look for solutions after the dust has settled before doing anything rash. You don't want to muck anything up. I always insist that it's better to continue with what you have been doing previously before the update rolled out. I know it sucks for some here, but honestly, ride it out.

Graciousstore

09/08/2013 02:01 am

Why does Google enjoying keeping webmasters on edge, I wish they can tell webmasters what they are doing so as to unnerve them

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 02:37 am

"It's always best to ride it out and analyze your data after 30 days." 30 days after what ? Google's updates are rolling out almost every day. You asked me to "offer something worthwhile" ... Here it is : You have to work on your website 24/7 to survive in current market conditions.

Mike

09/08/2013 02:58 am

Really??? You couldn't wait, could you? Of course Google updates almost everyday - Major roll outs? Nope! If that's what you consider "worthwhile" lmfao.. Well, then, okay... Sure... It's the best thing you've said in this entire thread!

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 03:40 am

There is no "major" or "not major" since 23 Feb 2011. There is just hard work 24/7. Mike, trust me if you will work hard and don't mislead others with useless comments, then you'll feel yourself much better in all meanings. Just try )

Christian Thomson

09/08/2013 04:45 am

I agree here. I have no idea why it needs to be smoke and mirrors. Just update the SEO companies & business owners on what's best and let them get on and do it. Don't move the goal posts every two months.

Muhammad Umair

09/08/2013 04:48 am

thats not good... it only done to promote amazon.com noting else

William Lake

09/08/2013 06:42 am

Yeah. After you said that I did some research. I set up another sub domain and it was listed as subdomain.mydomain.com & mydomain.com/subdomain. Duplicate content!!! I've fixed it today, hopefully, it'll work out soon. I'm also just fixing up the site. Ensuring it's all working 100%, adding some new content, etc. See what happens.

osman musa

09/08/2013 06:51 am

Glad that I helped in some way.

mrx

09/08/2013 07:28 am

30 days is also my rule of thumb but i start analyzing after 14 days... also start analyzing when something positive occurs... it might help in optimizing your other websites... but reacting within days... could be a death sentence. I dont know if the spammers rank modification patent is true... but if it is... you can make it a hell of a lot worse by reacting this fast. Best you revert your changes ( put the old posts back in there )... there are so many good websites affected by this update... i cannot imagine it stays this way... however.. it is google... you never can be sure.

Andrew

09/08/2013 07:29 am

I have 7 websites all about the same subject. 3 of those websites are in English and only those 3 dropped traffic by 90% on the 3rd of Sept. Let me add that those 3 English websites are all hosted at different hosts, on different IP addresses and in different countries. The other 4 websites (in Dutch, Belgium and German) are all running just fine. I can't by the life of me figure out why this happened.

mrx

09/08/2013 07:53 am

i disagree... we have a few thin content directories with high ctr clickthrough on adsense ads... also this directory contains duplicated content since descriptions of websites are copied from "aboutus" pages ( however, not full copies... +/- 60% of text...our users are lazy ).... these directories ( 6 of them ) are not affected in any way. I surely would expect these to drop some day... but currently no. These sites have a high quality backlink profile ( in majestic higher trust than citation )... so my guess is penguin... or % natural vs unnatural links has shifted/major link devaluation. 1 site is affected... and here the linkprofile is unnatural... about 75% lq build links from other directories... this was a low visitis directory ( it went from 60 to 10 a day )... its too early to tell since update might still be running.

William Lake

09/08/2013 07:58 am

Thanks!

Julz

09/08/2013 08:34 am

With one tweak Google can destroy business, and with one click it can get billions. Lets end this monopoly. Everyone, I have a proposal how about we create a blog post entitled "reasons why users should switch to Bing/Yahoo" or something similar, call it black propaganda IDC. we are webmasters here, we can do this. Any suggestions?

Terry

09/08/2013 09:08 am

We lost 60% of our Google Organic search traffic on Saturday 01:00 PDT. We're a 5 yr old site that had solid 40,000+ daily search until yesterday. As others have mentioned, we too have no manual actions in WMT, no messages otherwise, and no way to ask for reconsideration. We do ZERO link building, and certainly no spam. I'm truly baffled. If Google told us what to do, we'd do it.

mrx

09/08/2013 09:32 am

forget about the reconsideration... its only possible when you have manual actions... they disabled the rr form for non-manual actions.

mrx

09/08/2013 09:45 am

likes me to believe that these changes might be temporary..... and they do not want to get overwhelmed by rr requests right now.... might enable it again after the dust is settled... but its a wild guess. a psychological one.

Luke

09/08/2013 09:50 am

Barry. This seems to be a major update. You should pester them to get a confirmation on this. Such huge hits are rare...

mrx

09/08/2013 09:52 am

if its still the same in +/- one week... then we can set something up.

gmacs

09/08/2013 10:01 am

What is B hat? looks like I need to learn those skills to survive from now on. Being W hat is no more practical enough to survive the Mayhem. Traffic drop of 90% is unheard of unless some wise engineer screwed it up.

paul_t7

09/08/2013 10:18 am

It's like a game for them. I'm sure they sit around a table and discuss how they can pull the rug from under our feet. And then sit around chuckling about how many webmasters lives they've destroyed.

Kan

09/08/2013 10:30 am

am also facing same problem any other opportunities back to form,

buxshots

09/08/2013 10:42 am

It seems that my traffic come back. its 13 pm here and I already noticed more traffic than during the last 3 days

AGROchemicals

09/08/2013 10:54 am

Ashish, yes, as I stated on the home page of AGROchemicals, I lost 90% of organic search traffic from Google on 4th/5th of September...

mrx

09/08/2013 10:56 am

where is here?

buxshots

09/08/2013 11:01 am

West europe. English website, .com domain, hosted in USA

Akshat

09/08/2013 11:09 am

No sign of recovery for me till now..

waks

09/08/2013 11:17 am

What % was your drop? and which date?

buxshots

09/08/2013 11:28 am

drop was about ~60% from 1,6k to 0,6 k visitors started on 4th september. recovery started this night 8th september, 03:00 CEST

mrx

09/08/2013 11:32 am

google recalculating/re-inserting linkgraphs? could explain why big brands were favored first ... they have the most links. ps website not affected by drop has 33% increase today, when compared to sunday last week... starting this morning 9am cest. a thin content directory. also west europe penguin 3.0?

Marius

09/08/2013 11:51 am

Have you done anything to recover your traffic?

buxshots

09/08/2013 12:01 pm

No, nothing done.

waks

09/08/2013 12:05 pm

Thanks. Hope everyone will recover from this. All the best guys. After all, tomorrow is another day...

AlbertoMR3

09/08/2013 12:14 pm

Thanks for the good info, A lot of factors are involved, i think they are doing as with the serps rankings, get a lot of quality signals and giving to sites a QR(quality rank) and they put a line based on points, if you cross the line based on the cumulative points you get a penalty. and as to cross the line depends on so many factors perhaps the quality of your links weighted more than the duplicate content for example and your balance is ok now to don´t cross the line.. until they change the line points or the way they puntuate x or y things. I will do testings with about 20 affected sites based on this, lets see wich of them recovers.

JVerstry

09/08/2013 12:21 pm

I don't think we are dealing with a major update, but rather with a 'thin and lack of original content ratio' issue (so yes, something related to Panda). I have gathered and analyzed 33 websites impacted by this release, together with the group spreadsheet data. The bad ratio seems to lead to a lack of quality content, therefore a lack of authority and trust in one's specific space, which triggers the delisting / penalty. I have updated the blog post I created earlier (see http://technotes.tostaky.biz/2013/09/sep-4th-2013-sudden-drop-in-traffic.html).

JVerstry

09/08/2013 12:23 pm

There is a typo in the URL, it should be: http://technotes.tostaky.biz/2013/09/sep-4th-2013-sudden-drop-in-traffic.html

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 12:33 pm

It's useless to post all this info without the exact URL.

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 12:39 pm

"Lets end this monopoly." "should switch to Bing/Yahoo" Switch would be impossible, if it would be monopoly.

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 12:45 pm

Does someone gain traffic ? Please reply only if your traffic on one website is >10k daily and gain is 10% at least. Thanks )

Terry

09/08/2013 12:48 pm

It's useless for you maybe. it's an anecdote of how SEO is changing. If you have specific questions that may help you, please ask.

Ashish Ahuja

09/08/2013 01:18 pm

I am willing to help one suitable webmaster to recover his rankings and make a case study out of it. Are you interested? http://www.avainfotechseo.com/casestudy-recovery-latest-google-panda-penguin-update/

AGROchemicals

09/08/2013 01:26 pm

Ashish, thanks, I appreciate that, and I feel humbled by this offer, however, as I indicated in my other posts I gave up on Google, I do not care about them anymore, I will keep doing what I have been doing so far and I don't care about page/site ranks manipulated by Google, I'm over it...

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 01:26 pm

Specific question is - what is the website URL ? Nothing personal, but 90% of people in such threads misinterpret info they provide about their websites.

Ashish Ahuja

09/08/2013 01:32 pm

I can feel your pain and have suffered from the same in the past and reacted somewhat similarly, but its tough to ignore google as it is now.

AGROchemicals

09/08/2013 01:33 pm

Ashish, thanks, I appreciate that, and I feel humbled by this offer, however, as I indicated in my other posts I gave up on Google, I do not care about them anymore, I will keep doing what I have been doing so far and I don't care about page/site ranks manipulated by Google, I'm over it...

AGROchemicals

09/08/2013 01:38 pm

you are right, it's hard to ignore them, but if more and more people do exactly that they would go down the drain with time... somebody has to start this process, otherwise we would be doomed by Google forever...

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 01:57 pm

"7 websites all about the same subject" This happened because your goal is not to provide helpful info to your visitors, but to get traffic to convert it. "websites are all hosted at different hosts, on different IP addresses and in different countries" You can't hide your goal in the long run. You can only change it.

paul_t7

09/08/2013 03:14 pm

I run a website, it's a platform for artists, they love and adore it. The visitors who download it, love the ease at which they can do so. The website is responsive and works great on all devices. But it's not filled with textual content and so Google deems it as "thin" content. Even though some of these works of art would have taken 10x longer than any damn article. This while Panda era seriously pisses me off.

DJKaas.com

09/08/2013 04:16 pm

not sure if that's true. My old site (in the root of the domain) is still ranking very well. I do have some crappy backlinks pointing at my domain. I have a 301 redirect into my blog (subdirectory) which vanished from SERP's the 4th of september. Both sites (blog and old site have the same 'thin' contents.. Crappy backlinks might be the reason. I just disavowed +/- 500 spammy looking backlinks, fingers crossed :)

Akshat

09/08/2013 05:03 pm

Moral of the story is that don't rely solely on Google for your business..

paul_t7

09/08/2013 06:07 pm

I hate it when people say that. Google is still the biggest source of traffic for most websites and when things like this happen, it can be life changing, whether you relied solely on Google or not.

paul_t7

09/08/2013 06:09 pm

One of our websites over the past few hours has had a fairly big increase in traffic. And the one that was hit on the 5th, has had an increase too. But who knows where the dust is going to settle.

FustratedSEO

09/08/2013 06:09 pm

Still no recovery here site traffic dropped 60% since Sept 3rd

paul_t7

09/08/2013 06:10 pm

Yes. But only over the past 2 hours. Gain is about 50%. Whether this will keep up or not is anybodies guess.

mrx

09/08/2013 06:22 pm

you shouldnt rely on google no matter what... that is something i learned the hard way... ( potentially thought am going to be a millionare... then all of a sudden that dream shattered into pieces... - 80% revenue ) .. still a nice figure left annually but... -80% is a complete different ballgame.

Anti-SEO

09/08/2013 06:36 pm

"only over the past 2 hours." It means NO. Feel free to post back in the three (better five) days, if traffic remains the same.

IPwnYouAtSEO

09/08/2013 06:39 pm

Shut the fck up you fcking nerd. Jealous bc you suck at SEO. Trolling SEO forums. Suck it, scum.

Bob

09/08/2013 06:40 pm

You're an idiot.

Phil Williams

09/08/2013 07:39 pm

Yes I agree! I want in.

mrx

09/08/2013 07:45 pm

reply to this thread on the 13rd sept and we will discuss on irc what to do...

Phil Williams

09/08/2013 07:51 pm

Ok sounds good!

DJKaas.com

09/08/2013 08:36 pm

lol :)

Guest

09/08/2013 09:19 pm

Now I am really confused... 1 new site i am still working on since a month or so, an online store to be more precise with ZERO LINKS and with all products descriptions that can be considered duplicate content, same as images had DOUBLE yesterday its traffic from 150 to 300+ dayly uniques.(and i don´t think is a normal dance).. and my EMD pure crap site were I test things(mostly no no things) and with all scraped or duplicated content stays stady as a rock... Is this update or recalculation or what ever they are doing on favor of BH crapy sites as long as you don´t mess with rented or purchased links?

Chris

09/08/2013 09:57 pm

Here is something interesting I just noticed. On Sept 4 I lost about 70% of the traffic to my 7 year old site. I haven't been hit in the past and was surprised to see this one. For a long time I have had around 51,000,000 pages indexed in Google. The only time that number would change was was for a short period during a dance. Today I am down to 3.7 million pages in the .com index. Other data centers are still showing the old numbers. Can't wait to see what happens.

Phil Williams

09/09/2013 03:30 am

This guy anti-seo is something else lmfao!

paul_t7

09/09/2013 04:21 am

Signs of a full on recovery for a large website hit by Penguin v1. Early indicators are showing an almost 100% recovery. Since being hit by penguin traffic to the site has been flat. Then randomly yesterday at 9am GMT the tides started to turn and hour on hour recovery has been strong. I'll post more as it develops. And I appreciate the dust hasn't settled but it's a promising sign.

adrathore

09/09/2013 05:25 am

www.aznews.in 100% recovery..

Lizee Helene

09/09/2013 09:04 am

No Sign of recovery but having a huge fall now from 160K to 80 and now i dont think it;s going over 60K today... what a bad 7th September start... my http://www.solarmovie.me :(

Lizee Helene

09/09/2013 09:11 am

You call 170-190 Clicks a loss? Damn it man i dropped from 160K to 60.. that's what you call a loss when a single visitor was giving you $2

Guest

09/09/2013 11:40 am

what have you done for the recovery?!

Cezar

09/09/2013 02:14 pm

Ok, this is clearly an update, but it's getting OLD fast and the fact that is so secret is nuts! Old sites have been affected, some warez sites (TPB) are up on almost every search. But what kind of animal is this ? It's Panda, It's Penguin, or is the the nightmare called Phantom? The visits are no almost 0 from google. Google is like a thief now: hit and run! The "funny" thing is that a lot of sites steal my content, but now they are up and I'm on the last page of the results.

Anti-SEO

09/09/2013 03:12 pm

Not sure what kind of recovery do you mean. There is no traffic on this website. Even from India.

ex-GozZzgler

09/09/2013 03:52 pm

Hey everyone, let me tell how I free my sites from the demonic hands of Google Panda and Penguin. It is a solution I found and I read in a comment some months ago here in SERoundtable, and it is as EASY as STOP GIVING YOU FREA*KING information to Google. Stop using Google Analytics, Stop using the stupid and useless sharing buttons of Google+, stop using FeedBurner, stop using AdSense (YES! there are many other ways to make money with your site, Google AdSense SUCKS at this time anyway), stop using its gadgets, anyway, you know the point, stop using any kind of JavaScript or code that connect or give stats information from your site to Google, and Panda and Penguin sooner or later is going to stop ruining your site and visits. But HOW? without visitor analytic information Google just CAN'T judges your site. I was sceptic about this way of getting free of the B&W Google beast, but now I'm here just sharing the info in case you wan't to do the experiment too. It makes sense. Good luck.

Amanda

09/09/2013 04:27 pm

Yeah please share as my one site that was effected started to climb back and now today is back to 0 from Google. By this time I should have had a ton of hits from just Google organic traffic.

Phil Williams

09/09/2013 04:53 pm

Yea it makes sense! In the next few days that is what I'm going to be doing. I'm tired of these games and secrets that Google is doing. We all need to do this. Switch over to bing.com I think will be a good idea.

Stew

09/09/2013 05:00 pm

My site lost 90% of traffic on the 4th Sept and this has still not returned. Primary keyword is continuing to fall in the SERPs (from #2 to #160). Any idea what this update was targeting?

Joshua Rodriguez

09/09/2013 05:01 pm

You Know, I've read this entire thread. There are a bunch of people saying great things. Teaching me a lot. One thing I can say is I wasn't affected by this change. One thing that is affecting me however is your idiocy in responding Anti-SEO. Just shut up already!

Joshua Rodriguez

09/09/2013 05:10 pm

Hey Anti-SEO, I went and checked this out. For the first time in this thread, I'm with you. User interest is important, if you've got a lot of links, you should have a lot of shares....something fishy here!

Raymond S

09/09/2013 05:22 pm

heres my update i got a email back from google which sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Upon further segmentation of the traffic, we determined that decrease in clicks and increase in average CPC can be attributed to a loss of traffic from our search partners and not Google Search. It is likely, considering the nature of the products you sell, that advertising with one of our search partners was truncated.

Phil Williams

09/09/2013 05:55 pm

Yes bullshit its time for change! Who agrees?

Amine B

09/09/2013 06:04 pm

Adsense was the problem Hahaha wtf

Joshua Rodriguez

09/09/2013 06:09 pm

If I'm not mistaken, in the Google Webmaster Guidelines, they specifically denote affiliate sites that are devoted to one product.

Amine B

09/09/2013 06:11 pm

Seriously ?

Raymond S

09/09/2013 06:15 pm

i just got off the phone with bing ads very helpful people since my website is adult content related they actually have an adult division of bing there going to review my site and advice me on the best plan for the best return on my money which i thought was pretty cool.

Phil Williams

09/09/2013 06:32 pm

Here is a interesting article at pcworld http://www.pcworld.com/article/255476/bing_social_vs_google_search_plus_your_world_feature_showdown.html have a look.

Phil Williams

09/09/2013 06:34 pm

There you go! Thumbs up. That's nice to know that bing is so helpful.

Muhammad Umair

09/09/2013 07:26 pm

hello raymond can you tell me that how can i apply for bing ads...

Morgan Akchehirlian

09/09/2013 08:34 pm

Seriously,A person telling that the bing is so helpful and some one pops ups asking how to apply for bing ads. https://secure.bingads.microsoft.com Check this link for the answer.

AlbertoMR3

09/09/2013 08:49 pm

Man don´t be paranoic about what you have on your site, as more or less you know that one of their scripts can grab from your site as by simple see and guess the gode... YOU MUST BE PARANOIC ABOUT YOUR VISITORS... they are the one that uses Chorme and they are the ones that are giving to google all the really important and not fakeable data about your site. :D

AlbertoMR3

09/09/2013 08:55 pm

The only little prlblem is that bing just don´t work for the moment, google can eat a 1 .ooo. ooo. pages sites and index all that content on a fly i am still waiting since 3 months to big index more than 20 pages per day.. with that speed my site will get fully index in Bing by the year 2150 HAHAHA Anybody know some trick to get indexd faster by bing?

Muhammad Umair

09/10/2013 04:32 am

not available in my country :( now whaat should i do

Muhammad Umair

09/10/2013 04:40 am

it is for advertisers any bing ads for publishers??

Guest

09/10/2013 07:14 am

this is what I've found, seems like alternative to AdSense, maybe worth to join? http://help.bingads.microsoft.com/help.aspx?project=adcenter_pub_rtw_ss&mkt=en-US&querytype=topic&query=welcome.htm

Marius

09/10/2013 08:36 am

A question to all hitten websites by this penalty - how agresively are you using advertising on your website? Well I see one all connecting thing here. I looked at all the urls you mentioned here and more than 90% of them have rather agresively advertising on it (included my hitten site). I analyzed the spreadsheat and also saw that spreadsheat and noticed that about 90% of hitten sites are using Adsense ad blocks. Other sites, which I visited have hard loading pop ups or other type of advertising. So I tend to think that this Google update affected all those sites, which were trying to send their trheir visitors immediately to other sites meaning that they are not providing much value. Well I just analyzed my competitors and guess what - all those affiliate sites, which wasn't using hard loading banners or adsense blocks had a very nice increase in SERP, meanwhile others (including my one) with hard advertising had a huge decrease in rankings. Since it's Panda update it really makes sense in all of this. What are your experience regarding this issue?

Cezar

09/10/2013 09:42 am

This conclusion is stupid! Why? I have weekly online meetings with Adsense Team and the main problem is that they want MORE, MORE, MORE ads/page! They are very aggressive in suggestions. Bigger and more ads is the main song! So, Google is suffering from "schizoid personality disorder"?

Stew

09/10/2013 09:51 am

My site only had Amazon affiliate links on (not too many). The site had been indexed for 10 weeks and was in the top 2 SERPS. Links were mixture of a few PBN links (my own) and high PR blog comments. Ranking for primary KW still bouncing around #100-160. This site was a “copy” of a previous site that got hit. Link profile on previous site did not contain PBN links but had more relevant (low PR) blog/forum comments (plus 2 articles and Squidoo page) – still got wacked after 10 weeks (same as latest site) of being indexed/ Anchor text on both sites for the KW as below 10% but most links were pointing to HP...I suspect my manual link build was the “fault”!

Bob76

09/10/2013 10:29 am

Not at all. The site that have replaced me on serps all have popups and not even one multiple popups too. So this is not the reason at all as mine did not have such pop ups as I wanted a good user experience so i only used banner and intext advertising. I still think that this is not settled yet. Because if this is then i have to say that the results are the most shitty ever in Google history. Sooner or later they will change something to it.

me again

09/10/2013 11:50 am

I recognize the climbing and dropping again..

Marius

09/10/2013 12:54 pm

Well, maybe there isn't a problem with pop ups, but with banner advertising? My site also doesn't have any pop ups, but it was with very agresive banners. And I noticed that my competitors, which doesn't have any of banner advertising had a nice increase in SERPs. They used only call to action buttons to send visitors to affiliate sites. Meanwhile mine, and few other competitors overloaded with banner advertising has gone from search results. Nevertheless, I have nothing to loose with trying. I have almost no conversions after this update, so removing banners, won't hurt it for sure. ;]

SSDHelp

09/10/2013 01:18 pm

Anybody else noticing that Google is now consistently only showing 7 results in the search results. they have done this in the past but not as frequently. Anybody else noticing this? Could the last update have something to do with this?

Akshat

09/10/2013 02:38 pm

yes you are right..search results are messed up very badly. same site has 7 -8 entries on the first page. don't know wtf is going on..my traffic has gone down to 90 percent..

buxshots

09/10/2013 02:44 pm

do you guys think that the update is still in progress or maybe it already finished?

Cezar

09/10/2013 03:21 pm

I think this is a test (finished) for the next big update, in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks like a test, as the results are mixed and a lot of "Pirate sites" are up in my niche.

mrx

09/10/2013 05:21 pm

think its still in progress... ups and downs... read that blogpost links are not given so much weight anymore as before... sites with many article/bloglinks are affected? is indeed consistent with my sites. Anyone else to confirm this?

mrx

09/10/2013 05:33 pm

we have adsense all over the place but a very powerfull link profile ( almost no article/blog links, trust 38, citation 38 )... site is climbing in serps ( yesterday +10%, today +/-20% or more ). btw adsense and gsearch are two seperate departments within google. adsense or topheavy is most likely not the reason. also thin content is prb not the reason. links are still my best bet. is consistent to what happened over time and why sites are now regaining rank ( "a recalculation of linkjuice"? or re-weighting of links )... if it was duplicate content, thin content or whatever... some wouldnt have returned in the serps and some of my sites would be dropped completely. i think.

Bob76

09/10/2013 06:29 pm

Trust me that is not the issue :). The websites that rank now before me are using 7 to 8 banners on their pages along with 5 to 6 popups.

AGROchemicals

09/10/2013 07:38 pm

probably I found the answer, at least for my site... well, around 2-3 months ago I noticed a lot of hot linking to the PDF files provided in our database, so to stop bandwidth stealing I made changes on the htaccess level... with time we have been losing some (hot) links and gaining some other (normal)... not a huge change in overall... however, as indicated by statistics on Webmaster Tools we lost 50% of links since 4th of September... so based on data it is predominantly related to Google updating its linking structure data... it's all about the links (in our case links to our site, not form our site, or within the site)... if that's really the case then I consider it reasonable and I'm going to remove the critical statement about Google and its practices from our website...

Morgan Akchehirlian

09/10/2013 08:16 pm

Which country are you in? Pakistan. your CPC click rate is so low that adsense even do not help you earn bigger and so is infolinks.

DJKaas.com

09/10/2013 08:20 pm

confirming on the pirate part.. lol I think it has got to do with bad backlinks though.. Mainly the bad backlink profile caused this. i really wouldnt know how to explain what happened to my SERP rankings for various parts of my site.. (partially deranked, while a part of the site that is outside a 301 redirect isnt affected at all and still top ranked)

DJKaas.com

09/10/2013 08:25 pm

I think it has got to do with bad backlinks too.. i really wouldnt know how to explain what happened to my SERP rankings for various parts of my site.. (partially deranked, while a part of the site that is outside a 301 redirect from my domain root isnt affected at all and still top ranked).. and the part that hasnt been deranked has the same thin contents as the deranked part..

Trey Williams

09/10/2013 08:31 pm

I haven't made any links at all.. I haven't done ANY link building. Can you be more specific about what are you talking about? How am is supposed to control links coming to my site

Trey Williams

09/10/2013 08:33 pm

I got rid of my tags and I am starting to see my traffic come back pretty fast. I don't know if thats what did it but thanks for the advice

mrx

09/10/2013 09:17 pm

as a wise man once said... all is about the links... the rest is just a smokescreen.

DJKaas.com

09/10/2013 09:54 pm

agreed 110% :)

Muhammad Umair

09/11/2013 04:03 am

guys any one know how can we regain our sites traffic after this update...

adrathore

09/11/2013 05:01 am

within 2 days you can't get boom on alexa rank. traffic is now good but alexa rank update takes some time.

mrx

09/11/2013 06:10 am

i can only give advice based on my experience... make sure your linkprofile is strong... high trust in majestic. so not "easy" links. and little overoptimized links. make sure a balance between nofollow, follow. but depends on the site. if its complete rubbish... then you might be targetted by the other updates. This update is prb about links, not 100% sure... its consistent with first favoring big brands, then targetted sites coming back... and sites with hq linkprofile now doing much better than before... so pretty sure... maybe you can regain a little by hq links... but the major increase ( or recovery ) might only come when they do such a recalc again. These kind of updates make or break a site if traffic largely comes from google. if you had done quite some linkbuilding... esp. from article or blog sites or directories... google might have penalized you. you will need to cleanup the mess you created. but then again.. i cant be sure without seeing your site.

osman musa

09/11/2013 06:23 am

Glad that I could help you man. It was your tags because you had repeating words in your tags.

sarabruce28

09/11/2013 06:51 am

Guys what's happening in google.. this update affects my site traffic.. can you give me some ideas to recover my traffic again and this update is finished or still running out..

Ashish Ahuja

09/11/2013 06:57 am

see for yourself https://www.majesticseo.com/reports/site-explorer/summary/wekosh.com

Iztok Mravlja

09/11/2013 07:14 am

The same day Google snubbed my site (9/4), Bing gave me a 300-400% boost. Hell of a coincidence.

Iztok Mravlja

09/11/2013 07:30 am

Bing indexed less then 1% of my site in the same time Google indexed all of it. Bing's crawled makes thousands of hits on my site daily, yet doesn't index anything.

AGROchemicals

09/11/2013 08:35 am

I can see some small recovery on our website today... traffic from Google increased 100% in comparison with the levels observed just after 4th of September; in other words, our loss of initial traffic decreased from 90% to 80%... I don't know how reliable are these new data but I will definitely let you know if/when larger recovery is observed...

AlbertoMR3

09/11/2013 09:49 am

Yes I noticed exactly same increment on my affected sites... but that´s peanuts... For interested ones, the increment is on both modified after septermer 4th hit sites and on sites leaved as it after september 4th. I leaved them without modifications as a sample to avoid false positives or negatives like a lab experiment :)

Muhammad Umair

09/11/2013 10:54 am

sharexone.com its my site please check it out

mrx

09/11/2013 11:19 am

suspicious link profile, not many backlinks, no hq links ( trust 0 ), very bad link profile, suspicious link texts ( too many click here, umair0811 ). should also have http://sharexone links. some optimized links. make it appear natural. + links from bad neighbourhoods + building links through forum profiles? umair0811? yes, you have been building links. + only 644 pages indexed? + https://www.google.nl/search?safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=%22Though+he+sees+her+first+as+a+child%2C+Kundan+is+steadfast+in+his+love+for+Zoya.+When+she+is+at+school%2C+he+always+attempts%22&oq=%22Though+he+sees+her+first+as+a+child%2C+Kundan+is+steadfast+in+his+love+for+Zoya.+When+she+is+at+school%2C+he+always+attempts%22&gs_l=hp.3...547.1377.0.1880.3.3.0.0.0.0.39.39.1.1.0....0...1c.1.26.hp..3.0.0.z5s9eM6v8d4 + site is not very old. you did not acquire many (as in none ) high vote links during the honeymoon. + potential danger to get dmca takedown removal request + you definately need to improve things. this one is quite logical to have dropped. it will take time to recover... dont think by building a few links you will do fine again... prb if you do everything right from now on... you will need to wait until next major linkprofile update.

Marcus

09/11/2013 11:34 am

I was just checking the backlink profile of our hitten site and found this issue (see image attached). We got a sitewide link on one website, which looked rather authority first. We got a link on this Website on August 12 and been hitten on September 4. But now I've checked it in with semrush tool and noticed that about at the of May this site lost almost all of its SE traffic. As I understand from this image, probably it was hitten by Penguin 2.0 algorhytm which was realeased on May 22. Could it be possible the this penalty has moved to our website also?

mrx

09/11/2013 11:55 am

one link? or a few links? penalties generally do not transfer from one site to another... so no. should be something else going on... investigate your linkprofile, where are these links placed ( forums, blogs, directories, article directories, informational websites,... what kind of neighbourhoods... subtract the suspicious links from your total link profile... how large is the % suspicious? how many links do you have left? and how many of these links are hq, great votes? 1000's, 100's or 10's )....also look at the anchor texts for any overoptimization issues ( should be evenly distributed, some click here, some http://yoursite, some http://yoursite/path... some optimized links "great lawyer ny"... what are target url of links... are the targets still reachable... check % nofollow, follow... is it suspicious?...etc..

Marcus

09/11/2013 01:19 pm

The worst thing is that I was checking backlink profile of our site and I disavowed about 150 links on August 19 ( 2 weeks before the penalty). the funniest thing that our penalty came just after cleaning our backlink profile :) Really crazy update...

mrx

09/11/2013 01:25 pm

should be carefull with disavow tool.. google might have used that data to get input for detecting malicious link sites... build an algorithm on that data to select similar sites and disavow these similar sites automatically globally... you should always think twice if google launches a "tool" to "help webmasters"... we have bad links as well ( but overall strong ), but didnt disavow these... now sites climbing. yes, its a crazy update... work on hq links in a natural way.. and next update might bring you back.

Muhammad Umair

09/11/2013 03:41 pm

so what should i do now to improve my site its 6 month old now

mrx

09/11/2013 04:11 pm

improve site and build quality links... get rid of the bad links like forum profile spam.

Muhammad Umair

09/11/2013 04:19 pm

how i get rid from these links.... i made a mistake at start of my site i used an plugin which created 560 external links with only 60 domains i think it is cause of my sites bad ranking now..... please tell me now how i delete these links

Stew

09/11/2013 04:47 pm

Just noticed for all my monitored keywords only random "about us" or "contact" pages are now showing in the SERPs. All main pages have gone. However, for a long tail keyword (260 searches per month) I'm on page 1 for the homepage! Looks like Google has penalised me for any links I built with keyword anchor text (not many!). For the long tail keyword I mentioned, this had no anchor text. Fair cop!.."if you live by the sword, you die by the sword" :)

DJKaas.com

09/11/2013 05:11 pm

i recognize that too, my dmca, contact etc pages do pop up now and then..

mrx

09/11/2013 05:54 pm

write webmasters to remove the urls/remove url from your profiles/log everything you did ( for just in case you would like to send it to google )... create new hq links... be sure you have more branded links.... dont overoptimize links with keywords in anchor text. use majesticseo/ahrefs.com to find the links. Oh and wait for next update..... can take months

Muhammad Umair

09/11/2013 06:18 pm

these are plugin made links how can webmasters delete these links... by the way thanks for your help and advise i will work on links... please tell me one more thing how i create hq links?

DJKaas.com

09/11/2013 06:19 pm

thanks for sharing (y) im still waiting for any recovery lol

Phil Williams

09/11/2013 06:20 pm

Google is wacky! One minute my site is in position 30 and then i click to the next page and my site (same URL) is there in position 41 lol, then I click back to page 3 and my site is no longer in position 30! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? I have had it with google! This is a waste of time, trying to figure out googles way of doing shit. BS

mrx

09/11/2013 06:38 pm

i did post a reply but dont see it http://moz.com/blog/link-building-survey-2013-the-results-infographic read this.

mrx

09/11/2013 06:43 pm

oh and this one... http://moz.com/ugc/what-is-an-unnatural-link-an-in-depth-look-at-the-google-quality-guidelines

hightower

09/11/2013 07:03 pm

maybe someone will help - can't make top10 with this http://www.hauerpower.com hit by pinguen 2, but now I think more better in serp, but no top10, links ? we dele to many link i think.

mrx

09/11/2013 07:35 pm

try here http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/webmasters/crawling-indexing--ranking

hightower

09/11/2013 08:13 pm

I try in polish but nothing. maybe You see any mistakes on site which I can't see, ? can You give an contact to you ?

mrx

09/11/2013 08:17 pm

try english webmaster central... you will get answers...

hightower

09/11/2013 08:25 pm

ok. thanks for time.

Travis

09/11/2013 10:43 pm

Ya same with my site, same url different rank. It's all f*cked up.

AGROchemicals

09/11/2013 11:42 pm

just a small test... I searched for 'LOGRAN 750 WG Selective Herbicide' that has been our most visited page ever, and it is still ranked number 1 on Google, while number 3 on Bing... then I looked for 'HEADWAY Maxx Turf Fungicide', so just other page which shouldn't be so much different in rankings as it is just about different product but nothing in linking of that page or its design or information on that page is very different, it even has a bit more content when word count is considered... and on Bing it is ranked as 7th and on Google it is NOWHERE to be found (or 176th to be precise!)... So it seems it is NOT only about linking, but there is something VERY wrong with that last update of Google...

AGROchemicals

09/11/2013 11:57 pm

on Yahoo!, they are 2nd and 5th, respectively... I have no idea what the hell is going on with Google, except that it goes down the drain...

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 12:11 am

We decided to reinstate critical comment about Google on our website...

AlbertoMR3

09/12/2013 01:10 am

OK, end of the testings ... I THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM ON OUR SITES... I have analyzed today 2 EXACTLY EQUAL SITES with the only difference that one talks about apples and the other one about oranges... domains registered and launched with days off difference, no unnatural links, nothing extrange, just plain sites that follow every single guidelines and like any other site on the net with a bit of duplicated content due to have been copied by scrappers (I notice that those sites use cloudflare and I have found one site that is dedicated to automatically publishing each new domain had starting to use cloudflare and looks like there are a lot of scrappers just pointing to that site to get fresh meat... anyway... ONE OF THOSE SITES IS AFFECTED LIKE WE ARE, THE OTHER IS NOT AFFECTED AND WERE NOT AFFECTED EARLIER.. and I didn´t been able to find a single difference that can point what caused this... so.. "I am back with my conspiracy theory" Last year as i explain on other of my comments on this article, one of my sites received what I call now a "penalty for nothing or just in case" the traffic drop on that time was just like the ones we saw now from thousands visitors per day to dozens... since the site was a kind of testing site that i used to use to test wordpress pluggins, templates, seo techniques (just whitehat) I didn´t notice the big drop until a couple of months later on a routinary.. lets see what happened with the tests... I really didn´t cared too much about it since at the time I saw the big drop the traffic was already comming back and even increased... so I thought at that time that maybe were some kind of problem or conflict with the js of analytics and some pluggin or what ever, was not the first time i was at the border of a heart attack by have seen falling a site from 10k to almost 0 because some problem with a line of code that affected the stats... Anyway the point is... check this link and ready all the thread https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/JmjRu1EH05s/lp-gYAVNVTIJ Somebody here pointed us to this forum on one comment because the similar drop in traffic and the coincidence that that site recover its normal traffic just the day we started to loose ours... Well that site stayed 20 days without traffic and is the time that we will be without it too(sorry but is 90% sure if you didn´t did anything wrong on the site), that same time was magically just the same amount of time that I stayed too without traffic on my above example with my other site... What i think Google is doing is to give us a lot of false positives in order to force us to do their job... -every time that we disavows a link we are pointing Google into the direction of the "bad links sources" - every time we change something on our site after and just becouse a penalty, we are letting them clearly know what we were "doing wrong" some times on purpose... because cast the first stone who is "not guilty" the one that didn´t something that was not that good at the eyes of google to try to earn an extra ranking point on the serps So, there is nothing really bad with our sites, they just want to know what we are doing in order to try to gamble with their "perfect ranking sistem" IF IS NOT THIS IM AM REALLY DISAPOINTED AS THEY JUST BROKE GOOGLE... AND WE KNOW WHO IS WITH THE TEETHS WELL SHARP LOOKING AND IT ....

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 01:53 am

Alberto, I think you are completely right, it looks more like playing some kind of game with us, and definitely NOT like applying any reasonable algorithms to improve searching results... unless somebody believes that random penalization of selected pages/websites across the Internet, without any justification and reason, can magically give better results for a person who just wants to find as relevant information as possible and as quickly as possible...

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 02:12 am

Anybody else having this problem?

Bob76

09/12/2013 05:51 am

Yes that is absolutely the case with me too.

Ashish Ahuja

09/12/2013 06:51 am

which keyphrase are you targeting

Ashish Ahuja

09/12/2013 06:56 am

if yours is a genuine website I am looking to help one website recover from this update http://www.avainfotechseo.com/casestudy-recovery-latest-google-panda-penguin-update/

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 07:04 am

I wonder when this is going to end? I have to say though I switched over to Bing.com and I actually been enjoying it!

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 07:23 am

AlbertoMR3 in his post suggests it will take around 20 days, so let's just wait two more weeks and we will find out...

Porter

09/12/2013 08:06 am

I fuck GOOGLE and its System. Just playing a game with us.

hopeless - no more

09/12/2013 09:13 am

My site is fully recovered on Sept 9th :)

Cezar

09/12/2013 09:19 am

So, please share your "secret medicine". Details please...

dach

09/12/2013 10:16 am

yes give us some details

Andy

09/12/2013 10:35 am

At the Engish Google webmaster forum you do not usually get answers. You just serve as a boxing bag for the forum members to take out their frustrations on people looking for help. 80% of the answers are just rude and cruel. They don't usually even say what you should do to improve your site they just give rude comments that often don't even help. They treat everyone there like a professional spammer. Very unprofessional to say the least.

mrx

09/12/2013 10:42 am

mwah.. sometimes the criticism is right to the point... i am on there for about a year now and i have seen it all... the best replies come from those which are between level 8 and 14.. the tc's.. especially lysis and ashley (both women) can sometimes be a bit rude... depends on their mental state of the day.

rajapriya

09/12/2013 11:34 am

thanks for your information

mrx

09/12/2013 12:10 pm

google rank spam modifier patent?

Cezar

09/12/2013 12:51 pm

So, it was Panda... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJEUYjTPw8 Matt's timing and the T-Shirt are subtle indications. It's clear that this "incarnation" is a new kind of Panda.

mrx

09/12/2013 01:29 pm

how does that match up with favoring big brands first... and over time the serps return to normal.. and my thin content sites +30%? more or less.. i dont believe a word of what he says. Remember... its all about links and the rest is just a smokescreen.

Barry Schwartz

09/12/2013 01:30 pm

Heads up, I am seeing new reports of an update today, September 12th. Did you guys notice any changes (positive or negative) to your rankings? If so, comment at the new post over at http://www.seroundtable.com/google-update-sept12-17359.html

hopeless

09/12/2013 04:21 pm

I built about 20 new links on Sept 6th.

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 05:00 pm

Yes, I agree! They are fooling around.

Phil Williams

09/12/2013 05:03 pm

Has your site recovered yet?

DJKaas.com

09/12/2013 05:15 pm

nothing yet ..

Alberto M. Rubio

09/12/2013 06:07 pm

nothing at all, for me is just an another wave affecting now other sites with what i call a "just in case penalty"...

Alberto M. Rubio

09/12/2013 06:09 pm

still don´t know, I´m still navigating on all their patents related to search as like always all is there...

mrx

09/12/2013 06:43 pm

it exists, here a short intro http://www.seobythesea.com/2012/08/google-rank-modifying-spammers-patent/

mrx

09/12/2013 06:45 pm

ps If there’s a suspicion that spamming might be going on, but not enough to positively identify it, the page involved might be subjected to fluctuations and extreme changes in ranking to try to get a spammer to attempt some kind of corrective action. If that corrective action helps in a spam determination, then the page, “site, domain, and/or contributing links” might be designated as spam. that really sneaky. maybe they are now rolling this out in phases... so this why a site got hit on 22th, did nothing, and recovered on the 4rd... because there were not enough signals to designate it as spam. so key here is not over-react to changes in the SERPS

DJKaas.com

09/12/2013 07:52 pm

nothing yet.. i see some movement (up) in certain image searches.. from page 5-10 back to page 1 but nothing structural.. But it is sure that things are moving..

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 09:08 pm

you nailed it!

mrx

09/12/2013 09:44 pm

shows one more time that google doesnt hire retards and they are very clever... its a psychological mindgame what they play... what is next to expect. credits fly to alberto

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 10:26 pm

I'm not sure if it's clever, but for sure it is a VERY DIRTY practice, and unethical... it can be justified if applied ONLY to people who are the real web spammers but it is questionable to apply that broadly to everybody on the net just to look for ones... it is specially a kind of affront to all webmasters who want to play by the rules and make their websites as good as possible, as it makes them penalized for being honest and hardworking, and makes them confused, even if just temporarily... we have just lost more than a week to figure out what has been going on since 4th of September... add this loss to the loss of income from lack of traffic for 20 days (as that's the time scale for that exercise suggested by Alberto), and you have the cost WE incur, not Google...

mrx

09/12/2013 10:33 pm

i didnt say it wasnt dirty... just the patent i think is clever... it is indeed a foul practice ( they arent performing on big (high pr) sites )... somehow these sites got marked as suspicious... the question is now what has marked the site suspicious to trigger this. And more importantly... can it happen again to the same site... Lower than PR4 sites affected? Needs analyzing.....

Alberto M. Rubio

09/12/2013 10:47 pm

I 1000% agree with you..That´s EXACTLY what I said earlier.. and is what i´m doing don´t over react, in fact i wont do anything on any site..

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 10:49 pm

agree with everything ;) yes, it is VERY interesting what can be a trigger for that to be applied to a particular website... our traffic was growing steadily, as well as income from AdSense, so nothing artificial I can think about that could make our site suspicious and required to go through that whole rank-modifying spamming identification algorithm of Google... I suspect that they just apply it to every single website on the net on a random basis... maybe just with big corporations excluded...

Alberto M. Rubio

09/12/2013 10:50 pm

Thanks @disqus_36F2vNCft0:disqus but... everybody has participated bringing a LOT of info.. it was a team play..

mrx

09/12/2013 10:58 pm

i think there is a reason... a sum of things... has it adsense? is it high earning with adsense? is content rather thin? linkprofile increasing too fast(but not so fast that it is definately spam)? is linkprofile quality low? high keyword usage? etc... thing is... google might be running out of options to succesfully detect spam so they start with psychological practices... hell, they might even have a shrink running around there :)

AGROchemicals

09/12/2013 11:19 pm

Have just checked 'HEADWAY Maxx Turf Fungicide' again, now it is at 161st on Google, so increased in rank from 176th yesterday, without doing anything... it is consistent with Figure 6 on US Patent 8,244,722 B1 of Google form August 14, 2012... IT IS rank-modifying spamming identification algorithm of Google at work! AlbertoMR3 and mrx, guys, you are completely right! Thanks!

mrx

09/13/2013 12:07 am

the news spreads fast..... numerous blogs writing about it.

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 12:14 am

the power of many people working together to solve a common problem (or fight a common enemy) is amazing... BTW, AlbertoMR3 deserves some special prize for initiating collaborative approach to tackle this;)

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 12:23 am

that's the patent http://www.google.com.bn/patents/US8244722 and that's the figure... http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US8244722B1/US08244722-20120814-D00006.png

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 01:46 am

Thanks Bro.. ... I readed the patent in full " The systems and methods may also observe spammers' reactions to rank changes caused by the rank transition function to identify documents that are actively being manipulated. " haha i just remember when I wrote.. "if i were them.... well, so, now we need to investigate what triggered this algo.. Somebody increased content fast? like - to split the content of one page in lets say 2 or 4 more instead of have all in one? - to create an html sitemap that consites on a lot of pages just with links to the other pages Somebody increased its internal linking fast? like - to recently install a pluggin or script that create internal linkings based on keywords on post? - to create new links to other articles different on every page but related to it like artitles related to this post widget or something like that? Somebody recently OVERSEO the site? -like pass from zero SEO to a perfect SEO with the help of some pluggin, script or done manually Something else big or important done recently ? This is from the pattent ; "the rank transition function may be time-based, random, and/or produce unexpected results. The rank of a document may change over time due, for example, to changes in the document itself, the links pointing to the document, or documents with links to the document (sometimes referred to as “linking documents”). These changes may be the result of legitimate modifications or rank-modifying spamming. "

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 02:09 am

Well, Alberto, our website fells under few of those paragraphs indeed... 1) we do work on the site constantly, but by building new content rather in packs than every day, so for instance new 50-100 pages within a week or so, and then almost nothing for the rest of the month... 2) we have created 2 new pages containing list of all tags and list of all products in order to make indexing by robots more effective, so when they hit these two pages they have links to almost all remaining pages on our website... 3) we have updated our sitemap around 6 weeks ago by inclusion of all taxonomy terms (previously it contained only general and product pages), so it increased from around 300 to 900... indeed these two pages mentioned above are included in the sitemap as well (there is anything wrong with that?) no other amendments you mentioned... or I should rather say that usually each product page on our website points to other and different parts of our website because we use tags, but it is done in the most natural way possible and it has been like that since the website was launched...

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 02:18 am

As shown in FIG. 7, the rank of a document may initially decrease in response to a positive change in its link-based information. After a period of time, the document's rank might rise to its new steady state (target) value., the document's rank may decrease for a period of approximately 20 days before settling in on its new steady state (target) http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US8244722B1/US08244722-20120814-D00007.png Thats what i experienced twice last year in two different not related sites.. now they are estables and with traffic increasing each day .. I think that if you didn´t do anything wrong, this depresion curve we are experimenting now may be transformed for us on a big mountain. So cross fingers and use your time to learn more or create other site, just don´t touch yours now ... BECOUSE IS WHAT THEY EXPECT "Unexpected results are bound to elicit a response from a spammer, particularly if their client is upset with the results. In response to negative results, the spammer may remove the changes and, thereby render the long-term impact on the document's rank zero. Alternatively or additionally, it may take an unknown (possibly variable) amount of time to see positive (or expected) results in response to the spammer's changes. In response to delayed results, the spammer may perform additional changes in an attempt to positively (or more positively) influence the document's rank. In either event, these further spammer-initiated changes may assist in identifying signs of rank-modifying spamming."

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 02:28 am

yes, it's amazing that you have been experiencing all those things over the last year and they are like taken directly from that patent! but it also shows that they have been doing that for months if not years... I just wonder what went wrong on the 4th of September that suddenly they applied the same algorithm to so many sites worldwide... as they probably do it randomly every single moment, but on that day they did it on such a massive scale that we all tried to look for some answers and ended up on this site... BTW, Barry, thanks for having us here :)

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 02:49 am

Nothing is wrong, in fact you did it great... your rankings will boost and keep estable after this "penalty" is gone away for sure..in let me guess. 10 more days :DD I think that what they pretend to do is to confuse website owners, and what is worst.. for example a business that has an online store, they hire a SEO individually on the payroll or an external Agency they do their job optimizing the site to hep in the rankings,, then suddenly a short time before this "penalty comes to action" and on the Patent... they expects that the website owner punish and fire the poor employee or end the contract with the hired SEO firm? "When a spammer tries to positively influence a document's rank through rank-modifying spamming, the spammer may be perplexed by the rank assigned by a rank transition function consistent with the principles of the invention, such as the ones described above. For example, the initial response to the spammer's changes may cause the document's rank to be negatively influenced rather than positively influenced. Unexpected results are bound to elicit a response from a spammer, particularly if their client is upset with the results" Who wrote that is truly obsesed with spammers.. thanks god that they are not in charge of the Justice or Minority Report would be just a disney movie compared to that paralell reality ... :(

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 02:57 am

wouldn't say better, they are obsessed indeed ;) and it is also true that people and businesses do suffer as a result of Google's obsession...

Alberto M. Rubio

09/13/2013 03:06 am

well, that is the most simple question.. its on the last Matts Cuts video.. it happens becouse they are rolling up this thing montly toguether with the index engine or crawl engine and they call the beast panda i guess. i never put too much importance to the animals of google :D i rather like to see the patents and the formulas they implement or figure out what may happend on a site by analizing all its data and rumors that are important too as what is clear is that this time what brought us here was to follow the smoke up to the firepit created by Barry...

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 03:20 am

we owe to Barry for bringing us all together here and allowing for discussion which in fact exposed one of the most manipulative practices used by Google for quite some time ;)

Guest

09/13/2013 05:07 am

For those interested, we placed on our website a nice graph showing our weekly Google traffic over the last 5 months...

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 05:10 am

For those interested, we placed on our website a 'nice' graph showing our weekly Google traffic over the last 5 months...

AbubakrLatif

09/13/2013 06:32 am

So basically what you think has happened here is Fig. 7 to us. and according to that in about 15 days it should get fine.

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 06:54 am

Yep, basically that's it, originally it's 20 days since de-ranking (day 7/8th) and ranking back to the starting point (day 27/28th), after which it gradually goes to the final rank, whatever it is... but I wouldn't be surprised if they would try to apply different modifications of that curve for different sites/pages... However, according to Alberto, they have been consistent on that until now and it was usually 20 days...

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 07:04 am

I will try to record that day after day for one of my pages over the next 3 months to see if my data will mimic that graph... I started from yesterday...

mrx

09/13/2013 07:57 am

also... if you reed a lot of critics postings... they say its the panda softening algorithm ... it could be the same thing.. they say if they get additionals signals of quality they might lessen the effect of panda for the affected site... a positive quality signal could be "no spamming in t1 to t2"

Andrei

09/13/2013 08:00 am

Same graph for me too... But you have other problems: Pesticide = toxic = chemical gas = Siria = Stop word? (joke, I hope...)

mrx

09/13/2013 08:23 am

depends if you are in the gray area or not ( aka "the trigger" )... if you think you have quality content, not much scraped... not do keyword spamming all over the place... and you are feeling you are a bit "gray"... you could possibly recover by just doing nothing. Triggers could be, i repeat once more... a sum of... has adsense? high earning adsense? increasing linkprofile (suspicious), link profile quality... keyword stuffing, duplicate content... and more.

mrx

09/13/2013 08:28 am

me too

AGROchemicals

09/13/2013 08:31 am

don't trust greens/eco-terrorists, pesticides are harmful indeed but all scientists in the field, me included, would tell you that there is something like risk management, margin of exposure, or NOEL (No Observable Effect Level)... and without them we wouldn't be able to feed 7 billion people on Earth. period ;)

JVerstry

09/13/2013 12:00 pm

For the past 2 days, I am seeing some slow recovery after Sept 4th hit where I lost all my traffic. I have "noindex, follow" agressively all pages I though might be considered thin or lack of original/duplicate content. I am beefing up some of them and reindexing them too, but it is too early to see if there is a positive impact for these.

mrx

09/14/2013 08:04 am

lol... yes,.... same behavior with me... pages increasing in serps for my test keywords. page 22 to page 10.... page 19 to page 8... page 15 to page 4 :)

AGROchemicals

09/16/2013 12:26 am

Google is even more shambolic than I thought last week... now, the page I was tracing is not showing up at all... this company is a fraud!

donniedarko

09/16/2013 02:40 pm

So is everyone waiting until 24th September to see if rankings go back to normal?

mrx

09/16/2013 03:14 pm

if you have any search/tag/categories pages... you might want to noindex them. If you dont have these, continue with doing nothing...

mrx

09/16/2013 03:33 pm

no, decided not to wait and noindex my search/tag/category pages.

d3mon187

09/16/2013 06:07 pm

OK, I'll leave my experience. I have two very separate and different, but identical in function, high traffic websites. All white hat SEO, but being informational directory sites, their data can be found elsewhere. They've both seen huge growth from the beginning, since we try to have more information than any other competitor, as well as giving a great simple experience. Every Google employee, from every team, has praised our sites. One site that is 6 months old saw a 24% drop around August 14-15th after non-stop growth, and shows impressions in search queries halved. Same day, it's crawl rate time spent went up in webmaster by 200ms. The usual reboot fix didn't drop the crawl speed. It's seen small but negligible growth since. Was unaffected on the 4th. Biggest site has seen non-stop growth for a year and 2 months, until Sept 4th when it lost 40% of it's traffic and search queries dropped by 33%. Same day, it's crawl speed went up, but a reboot dropped the crawl speed back to normal. Site dropped in traffic for the first week, but has saw negligible growth since. Today webmaster tools shows crawl rates times on both sites for Sept 14th as having improved. No changes made to servers, but they are in same data center, so could just be coincidence. No recovery on the site hit in August doesn't bode well for the one on the 4th, but I'm optimistic. I'm not touching either site. Both grew links naturally, and have good content. I can see a few things a Google bot might mistakenly see as bad, but they are mostly a necessity. My competitor's sites are garbage compared to mine, and my sites aren't even showing up in a lot of big queries. I figure whatever took me out of those queries will get fixed eventually.

Cezar

09/16/2013 06:20 pm

Since the 4th of September drop, I can see the biggest activity on my Google bot activity in the past year... This is really strange :(

mrx

09/16/2013 06:54 pm

i note the 200ms uptick as well.

Alberto M. Rubio

09/16/2013 09:50 pm

i will wait but as i have several sites i had perform a big code update on one of the but basicaly just to speedup the site an improove usability the rest links internal incoming etc will remain untouched same as content

Terry

09/17/2013 08:14 am

Update: 9 days later, still 60% SEO traffic gone. Still no way to ask for reconsideration, nor any messages or comments on WMT on what went wrong. WMT shows Search queries go from 370,000 down to 50,000 in one day!!! We're getting ready to lay off staff... Any suggestions?

Terry

09/17/2013 08:18 am

Update: 9 days later, still 60% SEO traffic gone. Still no way to ask for reconsideration, nor any messages or comments on WMT on what went wrong. WMT shows Search queries go from 400-370K down to 50K in one day!!! and that's where it's stayed since. We're getting ready to lay off staff... Any suggestions?

chnain

09/18/2013 08:04 am

same for me ! Google gone mad ?

saransmith

09/18/2013 09:51 am

my website was have 63 keywords quires but since last weak it consistently come down and and website is also stuck on same position its on 5 th page can any when guide me what i need to do

mrx

09/18/2013 11:16 am

same... my kw matches are gone as well... but i did make a change.... i noindexed many ( 1 million + ) pages... "to give the positive signal to google"

Amine B

09/19/2013 07:48 am

Message from google Search results clicks for http://www.*********.com/actualite/ have increased significantly. This message is not indicative of any problem in your site. It is simply to inform you that the number of clicks that one of your pages receives has increased recently. If you have just added new content, this may indicate that it has become more popular on Google. The number of clicks that your site receives from Google can change from day to day for a variety of factors, including automatic algorithm updates. Recommended action Check the Search Queries page in Webmaster Tools If this page is becoming more popular, you may use that as an indication to develop similar content in the future """"" It's a joke ? i lost 90% of my trafic and he send me this message what happening

Markis

09/19/2013 09:16 am

When have you received this message? And what does analytics shows? This meesage google usually sends, when website is recovered from the penalty.

Amine B

09/19/2013 10:11 am

i've received this message yesterday on google webmaster tool, and analytic show any clicks from google just from bing, yahoo, facebook But google webmaster tools show different one, 10K from google but this is not true, and i have not been penalized from google

Keira

09/19/2013 10:12 am

Isnt that something that is found on the right hand corner of google adsense account? My traffic is is low now and Google isn't even indexing my newest articles :(. Not sure what is going on.

Amine B

09/19/2013 02:33 pm

I recover my first position on google in 5 keyword, i'am so happy

Amine B

09/19/2013 02:37 pm

Another problem in google, the date of my article, i've posted 3 article today and the date on google is 9 august 2013 SO what happened

cip

09/19/2013 05:52 pm

same here saransmith quires got down overnight no impresion on 2 of my sites... verry strange i am only a white hat guy...

Brendyn Robertson

09/19/2013 06:18 pm

I want the old Google back! Stop doing updates!

TootlessWonderS OtW

09/22/2013 01:32 pm

AT....AT.....AT.....For Answers @isoosi @twitter

Cezar

09/23/2013 07:23 pm

I'm finally seeing some little signs of recovery (this week-end) after the 4th of September mess, but is too early to say for sure. I've made some inbound link cleaning and work on the quality of the pages... Hope the best!

julz

09/23/2013 11:53 pm

Its already Sept. 24... I see no recovery, what can you say about this Alberto?

Anonimz

09/24/2013 05:14 am

Agree. 20 days passed, now what?

kiransripada22

09/24/2013 07:10 am

ya..nothing changed . what do we have to do now

chnain

09/24/2013 07:34 am

Same problem for me in France, 90% loss since 4th september, still nothing.

Matheus

09/24/2013 06:41 pm

it's clear what they want us to do... ADWORDS.

Matheus

09/24/2013 06:54 pm

This is exactly the same what happened to my 2 websites, and they are also in the same server. I got a 80% drop. This is freaking scary.

donniedarko

09/24/2013 06:58 pm

Should the recovery be showing today or tomorrow?

Alberto M. Rubio

09/24/2013 09:59 pm

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/G0V93WS_0DoRPfyuAHTV9FsZa-SkPsUedYXas-BUCVEchQkKWW5KQbAoMyG4MctclSO7Y6VGklg False alarm were a fucking scraper using multiple hosts but one single location Wichita Falls TX & Lawton Allways check on your analytics only organic search traffic... as I always do... not this time ofcourse.. don´t let your emotions block your brain ;(

Alberto M. Rubio

09/24/2013 09:59 pm

check my last post (the other one were not aprooved or is under moderation don´t know why)

Aan Rusmanto

09/24/2013 10:02 pm

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Aan Rusmanto

09/24/2013 10:05 pm

waow...

Felipe Mendonça Marques Silva

09/25/2013 08:02 pm

This link is broken :(

AGROchemicals

09/26/2013 02:37 am

no signs of improvement at all... will update if it happens...

Ashwani Gaat

09/26/2013 03:42 am

Adsense updated??

Marcus

09/26/2013 06:26 am

We are already seeing small positive results!!! Yesterday our traffic recovered from 90 percent decrease up to somewhere of 65%. And from the stats, which I see now, mostly for today this percent of drops probably will be even better. I know that this is maybe early to say, but after checking our keywords we find that about 75% of our monitoring keywords have came back to 2nd or even 1st page of results (fter the penalty most of them were lower than 10th page)! I don't know if some changes have caused those positive results or it was the reason, which AGROchemicals have mentioned, because after of the penalty on september 4, on September 5 we've changed our design. As it were an affiliate site and had lots of banners, we decreased a number of banners and made all banner links pointing to review pages, except of pointing visitors directly to affiliate sites. Also I want to mentioned, that we disavowed a bunch of spammy links on August 19 and after that we received a penalty. I left a disavow tool almost untouched (only added 3 domains to it after the penalty received). We didin't do anything with our old links. Except I have to mention after the penalty we received few high quality links from yahoo and socialmediatoday. And after all of this we see today that most of our keywords are getting our positions back. YAY!

Marcus

09/26/2013 06:32 am

One more thing - we had about 8 301 redirects to our site from international CCTLDs, so after the penalty we removed them.

Cezar

09/27/2013 09:11 am

So, it seems that we have been the Beta testers for Google Hummingbird :( This not really help us, but I was right, when I've said it's a different beast! The problem is that this beast worked like a penalty. We are now nowhere to be found! Google is hush, hush about this update... we are suffering for no guilt?

Google Sucks

09/27/2013 02:27 pm

Be cause only 1% of my website traffic comes from google search engine i dont care. If i want traffic only from google i should close the site.Be cause this reason i dont care about googles stupid old school search engine.

Imran Aftab

09/27/2013 05:30 pm

Guys I also have lost 80% of traffic, is there any way or tips, How to recover?

Harriot

09/27/2013 09:28 pm

Hi, I have an online fashion website, I've been reading most of the comments and some of you get an extreme amount of traffic even after your tremendous losses. Could anybody give me tips on how to increase my traffic? We need targeted traffic we could only dream of getting 7,000 unique visitors a day, but we need to, to compete in this game. If anybody could send me an email so that I could contact you, or leave a comment on how to achieve this amount. For the business to survive we need experts like you to help us out. :D

Phil Williams

09/27/2013 11:38 pm

I see google did a few changes to the search engine! The name of the google update is Hummingbird! F.A.Q here http://searchengineland.com/google-hummingbird-172816

Phil Williams

09/28/2013 06:39 am

Yea I agree they are trying to get people to use adwords. This is BS!

DJKaas.com

10/01/2013 04:56 pm

i see some minor improvements in organic traffic.. but it still nowhere as it was before the 4th of september..

Rob Kissell

10/01/2013 05:28 pm

What were your rankings like? We got kicked right in the (^%$. Went from #3/4 for target terms to #14/15. All I read in the Hummingbird threads are praise from webmasters... curious to see who all has/has not recovered from it.

Marcus

10/02/2013 11:13 am

Down period from September 4 to September 24. Well... exactly 20 days :0

Nico

10/02/2013 01:39 pm

What did you do to your site? How many pages you have indexed on google?

DJ Kaas Media

10/02/2013 03:15 pm

for a lot of title's almost any new post i would easily rank within the first two pages and had some great results in image search too. And went back to no organic traffic on the 4th of Sept. Since a couple of days i see some visitors come from Google.But still a factor 10 of what it used to be..

DJ Kaas Media

10/02/2013 03:16 pm

Good for you :) My organic traffic is just as low as it has been since Sept 4th :(

Marcus

10/03/2013 06:25 am

Well, I almost didn't do anything with my links. Just disavowed backlinks from 3 sites. Also removed almost all 301 redirects, and the new design has been changed right after the penalty ;] The traffic is still 30-40% lower than it was before the penalty, but we're still happy even with this recovery and going to work harder to reach better results :)

Spencer Turner

10/03/2013 08:27 am

Wow excellent news! I've disavowed some links a few days ago, how long did it take for the disavows to take effect?

Spencer Turner

10/03/2013 08:29 am

I presume everybody in the comments is still trying to get their rankings back? It's very quiet in here!

Marcus

10/03/2013 08:50 am

Well, I disavowed a bunch of my links before a penalty, and then the penalty arrived. When I got a penalty I disavowed few missed links after the penalty as well. The time is somewhere wround 2 weeks.

Nico

10/03/2013 01:01 pm

Yes, still waiting here... Really frustrating. 75% drop on Sep 4th... Nothing new since then

Muhammad Umair

10/03/2013 04:54 pm

how i disavowed backlinks please tell me...

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:34 am

Yes hummingbird already made a buzz on SEO web

Jitendra Vaswani

10/04/2013 05:34 am

Getting ranked is not easy now, You have to face tough competition , & now hummingbird is stinging us badly

Cezar

10/04/2013 12:44 pm

I think you are the only happy story after this update :( I made a great cleaning: link, thin pages, 404 erorrs, but nothing, just even lower traffic on 2 stages: 19 sept and 27 sept. So, this prove it can be worst. The traffic that I still have, is only from strange Long Tail.

Cezar

10/04/2013 06:38 pm

https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2648487?hl=en It's a txt file with sites URL's

Cezar

10/05/2013 05:42 pm

September 4th was an exquisite update, that "never existed" for google! The affected sites are the one that the little bird "Hummingbird" decided that are "cheating the system" for some reason, so they got a secret penalty ;( Not only that the trust rank was removed, but also, the sites god sandboxed! It does not seems that a recovery is at hand. Marcus is the only good news on this front, but with great changes (design and content). Maybe a new design is what modify the content/template % and will remove the penalty. I'm working on a new design...

Cezar

10/05/2013 09:33 pm

I really do not believe in such big miracles! You will not recover from this penalty by doing nothing! It's not a small deranking! It's a huge one! BTW, how old are your sites? Mine is 2002

Muhammad Umair

10/07/2013 05:07 pm

if we change design then it will work or not??

Cezar

10/07/2013 06:34 pm

Who knows for sure?

Rob Kissell

10/08/2013 12:46 pm

I hear you on the strange long tail rankings.... neat - but crippling business

Cezar

10/08/2013 01:29 pm

Well, after 4th of september I was 85% down. After Penguin 2.1 (5 October 2013), by Webmastertools shows another drop. It can get lower!!!!

DJ Kaas Media

10/12/2013 08:56 am

Today i noticed a BIG positive shifting in the SERP's. I'm back at the first and second page again (from page 50 and beyond). Things i did were disavowing a bunch of spammy anchor text and sites and I started putting more effort in posts (i post music video's). SO what it was I don`t know, but something worked..

Spencer Turner

10/12/2013 11:49 am

Hey djkaas, sounds good! I disavowed lots of links straight away after my sites got hit, how long did it take for the disavow to take effect? I think the best remedy for this is going to be a ruthless cleanup!

DJ Kaas Media

10/12/2013 11:52 am

I uploaded the disavow file October 3rd. I am not sure if this is what did the trick but i believe it could be, because i have been trying to add 'valuable'content ever since Sept 4th..

DJ Kaas Media

10/12/2013 11:53 am

i also disavowed a lot of links sept 7th, but i took that disavow file offline again within a week, hoping/believing it was just a google blurp .. lol

DJ Kaas Media

10/12/2013 08:25 pm

take a look at my site we just recovered since sept 4th... from nowhere to be found since sept 4th back to page 1 and 2 for very relevant keywords..

DJ Kaas Media

10/13/2013 11:19 am

I need to add that especially image searches are far from the levels from before sept 4th..

AGROchemicals

10/13/2013 11:58 pm

OK, after MORE THAN 1 MONTH, I can see significant improvements on my site, which started on Saturday, October 12th... it looks that everything is returning to normal but I'm not completely sure right now, as I usually have smaller volume of traffic during the weekends so to compare current numbers with the previous statistics I need to wait until the end of the week... I will let you know... BTW, I have done NO changes to my website since 4th of September...

AGROchemicals

10/14/2013 01:04 am

I did nothing to the site and it seems that traffic is back ;) so it was probably EXACTLY what Alberto M. Rubio suggested and what we have established here few weeks ago, namely spamming identification algorithm of Google at work... nothing else, not any penguins or other animals of Google, but just that algorithm alone!

AGROchemicals

10/14/2013 01:06 am

you are wrong Spencer, the best remedy is do nothing! I did exactly that and seems like the traffic is back... read the whole discussion here, it was spamming identification algorithm of Google, NOTHING ELSE!

AGROchemicals

10/14/2013 01:11 am

Marcus, for us it was a bit longer, but seems like traffic is back as well... exactly as we expected based on the fact that it was just Google running its spamming identification algorithm and not any other animals from its inventory ;)

Nico

10/14/2013 04:14 am

Thanks for sharing this with us, please let us know all the information that you think could help or guide us to a possible recovery.

DJ Kaas Media

10/14/2013 06:53 am

That's great news :). My recovery started saturday as well, at least it has been steady since saturday. But I might want to take down the disavow file if i read your story :). I must say in the web SERP's things improved but i did loose some rankings (lol but u won`t hear me complain coming back from nearly zero lol) I do see a lot of loss in image rankings, but who knows they will come back too ;)

Marcus

10/14/2013 07:06 am

Congrats mate ;]

DJ Kaas Media

10/14/2013 07:17 am

Hmmm right now at the office using IE instead of firefox seeing SERP's from before the weekend.. SCARY .. but I believe when i got hit Sept 4th it was the other way around, firefox showed cached results back then..

AGROchemicals

10/14/2013 07:25 am

don't worry, you are probably perfectly fine ;) funny thing about SERP and google is that when I tried to check those things using their own chrome I got completely different results for the same searching phrase when I was logged in on my gmail account and logged out... what I saw on firefox or internet explorer was not consistent either ;)

AGROchemicals

10/14/2013 07:26 am

Thanks, but I did nothing, except showing an extreme patience by not doing anything for a month ;) Congrats to you too ;)

Spencer Turner

10/14/2013 09:19 am

Yes I understand what u are saying, but obviously if I've found spam links in my backlink profile then they need to go if that's what the new update is targeting!

AGROchemicals

10/14/2013 09:24 am

obviously that sounds reasonable ;) good luck! my initial assessment is that we have around 50% traffic back, hope it will improve over the week...

Marcus

10/14/2013 12:44 pm

For me the same. except we changed the new design right after the penalty. But that was planned and had nothing to do with that penalty :)

Mike

10/14/2013 07:49 pm

Congratulations on the rebound! Unfortunately I haven't been so lucky. On 4th September my site lost 60-70% of organic traffic, but 5 days later it recovered. Unfortunately, the site experienced the 60-70% drop again on October 12th! So frustrating and very very damaging to my business. If I knew what to do to fix the issue I'd do it, but I've always steered away from dodgy link building etc., and my site is full of great, unique and relevant user content- so frustrating. I

AGROchemicals

10/15/2013 12:04 am

Really sorry to hear that Mike! my only advice is that you should be patient... I know how hurting and damaging to the business those devil practices of Google are, and that's why you should also think about building some social media presence as well and not to rely on organic search traffic alone... at least not from Google, as they are not reliable.. Good luck!

AGROchemicals

10/15/2013 12:04 am

Really sorry to hear that Mike! my only advice is that you should be patient... I know how hurting and damaging to the business those devil practices of Google are, and that's why you should also think about building some social media presence as well and not to rely on organic search traffic alone... at least not from Google, as they are not reliable.. Good luck!

AGROchemicals

10/15/2013 12:05 am

Really sorry to hear that Mike! my only advice is that you should be patient... I know how hurting and damaging to the business those devil practices of Google are, and that's why you should also think about building some social media presence as well and not to rely on organic search traffic alone... at least not from Google, as they are not reliable.. Good luck!

AGROchemicals

10/15/2013 05:40 am

funny, but today, on 15th of October, I can see my traffic and SERP ranking going down again ;) looks like guys at Google like to play with their small tools and their small and sick brains ;) I seriously think they have some macho problem or some intellectual issue...

Diogo

10/15/2013 02:05 pm

i`m in the same boat! i did a lot of changes without effect... just thinking to close my company...

d3mon187

10/15/2013 09:37 pm

I may be seeing some recovery as well, but with Monday being a holiday it is too soon for me to tell. Still, despite the holiday, Monday did well when it shouldn't have, and today is doing far better than any other day since the 4th. Will post up later in the week once things have normalized.

DJ Kaas

10/16/2013 07:15 am

It's kind of steady now, while traffic has been increasing since Oct 12th.

AGROchemicals

10/20/2013 01:10 am

OK, so situation improved for 3 days only, and then went back to basically no traffic... site recovered to normal only for 3 days (Saturday-Monday), on Tuesday deteriorated by 50% and since then it has been on the same level as after September 4th... weekly, Google organic search traffic increased from as low as 7.6% of original (original means before September 4th) to 25.1%... and it was all because of only 3 and half days of full recovery, where 2 days were during the weekend when traffic is usually much lower... to conclude, I'm not going to do anything, except expanding my site as normal (adding new pages)... I am not a link/ranking manipulator of any sort, Google is, so it is not me who should do something about it... they are disgrace... every single person working for Google should be ashamed of what they do...

Cezar

10/22/2013 09:02 am

"Funny thing" is that google is targeting a new bottom position. Is like "deindexing" the whole site.

DJ Kaas Media

10/24/2013 02:20 pm

too bad :( i still recovered to 60-70% from before sept 4th and it seems to b stable now..

Nicol

10/25/2013 01:20 am

Absolutely nothing happened since set 4th... Thinking about a domain change... :(

mrx

10/25/2013 09:47 pm

yesterday started with recovery.... disavowed links... got some natural new ones... + noindex,followed thin content/search pages... about 2 weeks ago.

mrx

10/25/2013 09:54 pm

ps this is a website with millions of search pages. we have a realtime monitor to check what google was crawling... we saw that there was a focus on search result pages. is a must have. realtime monitoring.

Marcus

10/29/2013 07:22 am

I can confirm that we already recovered till 90% of previous traffic. Things are getting better and better :)

Guest

10/29/2013 03:12 pm

Can you share what you did? Have any tip for http://www.almanaqueculinario.com.br/ ?

Marcus

10/30/2013 02:46 pm

It seems that I lied. Traffic has already recovered to 115% compared to before the penalty. So from now it's even better :)

Nico

10/30/2013 06:56 pm

Congrats to you. I made several changes but nothing happened yet. We are close from 2 months... Every feedback on your experience is well received

lensey

11/15/2013 07:04 am

I've added mine

DJ Kaas Media

11/25/2013 11:35 am

Today i was looking at my GWM stats and i saw something that i thought was interesting. I was struck on sept 4th like a lot of people on this page. The thing i noticed is that i have fully recovered in clicks (117% ) but query's is stuck on 69 %. So with less querys i get more organic hits, check out the stats: Date % % 27-aug 100 100 4-sep 24,61538462 41,17647059 18-sep 20 52,94117647 2-okt 24,61538462 52,94117647 12-okt 46,15384615 64,70588235 25-okt 53,84615385 100 8-nov 69,23076923 117,6470588 23-nov 69,23076923 117,6470588

Cezar

12/10/2013 01:39 pm

I was hit again for another subdomain on 27 November. One domain affected on 4th september recovered after the disavow tool cleaning, but only one, insignifiant...

Cezar

12/22/2013 01:34 am

The domain affected on 27 Nov is back, after link cleaning! No change on the 4th Sept disaster...

Ian

12/27/2013 02:35 pm

Hi My hosting company had server problems for 3 days. Therefore my site was down. They moved my site to a new server. Then I notice my impression in Google have dropped from 3500 to 700 and looks like it is still going down. My question. If I leave everything as it is, will I regain my position? If so how long before I see the improvement? Or do I need to take action? What action should I do. There are no warnings or anything negative from WMT

Grrr

12/28/2013 07:17 pm

I've been trying to recover since September 4th... there have been no improvements what so ever. I've tried everything from all advice over the internet and I'm still working on it now e.g. GWT HTML Improvements have gone down from 400 to 26, 404 errors have gone from 8000 (I removed a lot of pages that I thought might have caused the drop in traffic, which I now think maybe I shouldn't have) down to around 5 errors a day. Have been working hard on the site building social signals, implementing sharing options and have had 1,000s of honest social shares and mentions... again no difference. Started using social media to improve my brand. All SEO has been improved... again no difference. Implemented many new features to improve user experience including search options and new navigation options. The site has been online 12 years so previous news posts that included links sometimes linked to external 404 pages, these have now all been made rel="nofollow" incase that was a problem. I've even made all the pages HTML5 compliant (over 100,000 of them) Removed thin and duplicate pages and have had a thorough clean up. 410 header being returned where required. The site has never used any blackhat tactics. Although my web site is a massive resource and is one of a kind, a lot of the content can be found on other site (not in the same context, but it could be seen duplicate). So it's luck of the draw if your web site is chosen with that content. The only thing I can see now that could hopefully improve traffic could be to redesign and go with a responsive site. But that time and effort could be put into another solution. There's no guarantees it would work. So in answer to your question... If you have done some dodgy SEO in the past e.g. backlinks, then yes go clean up, but don't expect more traffic! If you have clean hands, I wouldn't bother trying to fix it. If you try and fix it, don't expect more traffic! I've wasted 4 months now.

Cezar

12/31/2013 03:51 pm

Exactlly the same story here!

Brad

01/04/2014 04:58 pm

Same here. There was an attempt to recover for a few days in middle of November but as result traffic is absent for now (from 3k to 50-100 uniqs). Google disappoints :( and keeps the silence. I don't know how people can build their small business with the such problems. I no longer trust him. Thanks to Yandex that brings most traffic as before.

GrigorDimitrov

01/08/2014 12:49 am

And here is our point of view for some of the recent Google updates - http://www.testproductreview.com/2013/11/latest-google-search-updates.html There is a little sense of humor in this whole story but it is not funny at all when your site gets kicked out of the search results due to idiotic search updates.

Nosferatu 2000

01/23/2014 03:30 pm

I'm happy to report that one of the three affected domains is back. A lot of link cleaning! Some 404 fixed... You need to digg deep to find those links, as most of them were pre 2009...

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